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		<title>By: The Waiting Game &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wellsphere blogging scam</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-18263</link>
		<dc:creator>The Waiting Game &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wellsphere blogging scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on health bloggers?”, whereas over on</description>
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		<title>By: Fifi</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12685</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weing - Fair enough, thanks for explaining further. One of the pitfalls of medicine run as a business that emphasizes profits is that doctors just become &quot;content providers&quot; (and no doubt your bosses will be just as happy to turn over your jobs creating content to wannabe doctors who will do it for free or cheaper). Though, really, it&#039;s not like you couldn&#039;t just pull up your bootstraps and run your own business if you don&#039;t want a pimp - that&#039;s the free market way of doing business, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weing &#8211; Fair enough, thanks for explaining further. One of the pitfalls of medicine run as a business that emphasizes profits is that doctors just become &#8220;content providers&#8221; (and no doubt your bosses will be just as happy to turn over your jobs creating content to wannabe doctors who will do it for free or cheaper). Though, really, it&#8217;s not like you couldn&#8217;t just pull up your bootstraps and run your own business if you don&#8217;t want a pimp &#8211; that&#8217;s the free market way of doing business, no?</p>
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		<title>By: weing</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12684</link>
		<dc:creator>weing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fifi,

You are reading too much into what I said.  In no way did I imply that authors do not make money because they are no good.  The two have nothing to do with each other.

I clearly said that doctors will not be rich because they are like prostitutes.  They have to be physically present to make the money.  The pimps make the big bucks from the work of the prostitutes.  The insurers, etc are our pimps and they get rich off of our work.  As Dr Jones posted in this blog the pimp made the big bucks off the work of the bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fifi,</p>
<p>You are reading too much into what I said.  In no way did I imply that authors do not make money because they are no good.  The two have nothing to do with each other.</p>
<p>I clearly said that doctors will not be rich because they are like prostitutes.  They have to be physically present to make the money.  The pimps make the big bucks from the work of the prostitutes.  The insurers, etc are our pimps and they get rich off of our work.  As Dr Jones posted in this blog the pimp made the big bucks off the work of the bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Fifi</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12683</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weing - What you may not realize is that lots of authors sell books and don&#039;t make a lot of money. It&#039;s only blockbusters and best-sellers....often the literary equivalent of quackery if we consider something like The Celestine Prophecies or The Davinci Code...that make people rich (or even well off). People who work within the publishing industry, often make quite good money (just as doctors involved in the business side of medicine can become extremely wealthy). 

Your inference that authors don&#039;t make money because they&#039;re no good, is like me saying that quacks make more money than doctors so that means they&#039;re actually providing quality medical care. All you&#039;re doing is highlighting the arrogance of doctors who feel entitled and are resentful that their McMansion isn&#039;t as big as a CEOs (and that their cottage is not the biggest on the lake). 

Sure GPs make less than specialists (and academics at elite universities) - and medical researchers often make crap money but that&#039;s a different issue - but American specialists complaining about not making enough money seems like sheer greed to me (and many, many other people I&#039;d assume). Particularly since it&#039;s usually accompanied by a finger pointing at someone else who makes more money while totally ignoring how much more than most people make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weing &#8211; What you may not realize is that lots of authors sell books and don&#8217;t make a lot of money. It&#8217;s only blockbusters and best-sellers&#8230;.often the literary equivalent of quackery if we consider something like The Celestine Prophecies or The Davinci Code&#8230;that make people rich (or even well off). People who work within the publishing industry, often make quite good money (just as doctors involved in the business side of medicine can become extremely wealthy). </p>
<p>Your inference that authors don&#8217;t make money because they&#8217;re no good, is like me saying that quacks make more money than doctors so that means they&#8217;re actually providing quality medical care. All you&#8217;re doing is highlighting the arrogance of doctors who feel entitled and are resentful that their McMansion isn&#8217;t as big as a CEOs (and that their cottage is not the biggest on the lake). </p>
<p>Sure GPs make less than specialists (and academics at elite universities) &#8211; and medical researchers often make crap money but that&#8217;s a different issue &#8211; but American specialists complaining about not making enough money seems like sheer greed to me (and many, many other people I&#8217;d assume). Particularly since it&#8217;s usually accompanied by a finger pointing at someone else who makes more money while totally ignoring how much more than most people make.</p>
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		<title>By: Fifi</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12680</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Gorski - I quite clearly said that doctors are more likely to be upper middle class than actually wealthy in real wealth terms. This is still much better off than average. Certainly there are doctors who choose lower paying jobs for altruistic reasons but it&#039;s simply ridiculous to compare what doctors make with what teachers and writers make (even in Canada where doctors make substantially less than in the US). Doctors who engage in the business side of medicine can become very wealthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Gorski &#8211; I quite clearly said that doctors are more likely to be upper middle class than actually wealthy in real wealth terms. This is still much better off than average. Certainly there are doctors who choose lower paying jobs for altruistic reasons but it&#8217;s simply ridiculous to compare what doctors make with what teachers and writers make (even in Canada where doctors make substantially less than in the US). Doctors who engage in the business side of medicine can become very wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gorski</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12677</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gorski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Quibbling over such a minor point as my lazy “4 or 5 times” doesn’t really change the fact that medicine is a well paid profession.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not a minor point, and I wasn&#039;t &quot;quibbling.&quot; Education and training matter, and you made it sound as though there were a bunch of people with equivalent training making only $20,000 a year out there. No one&#039;s arguing that medicine isn&#039;t a well-paid profession, for the most part. However, most doctors are not rich and never will be rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Quibbling over such a minor point as my lazy “4 or 5 times” doesn’t really change the fact that medicine is a well paid profession.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not a minor point, and I wasn&#8217;t &#8220;quibbling.&#8221; Education and training matter, and you made it sound as though there were a bunch of people with equivalent training making only $20,000 a year out there. No one&#8217;s arguing that medicine isn&#8217;t a well-paid profession, for the most part. However, most doctors are not rich and never will be rich.</p>
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		<title>By: weing</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12675</link>
		<dc:creator>weing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nitipicking,

I never said I was feeling financially squeezed.  I also never realized I made more money than J K Rowling.  Bank CEOs are really going to be squeezed.  Those that run their companies so poorly that they require government bailout (my tax dollars) will be limited to an impoverishing $400,000 a year.

Physicians will never be rich because they are like prostitutes.  They have to be there to get paid.  Their income range is not that great.  A writer can write a book and go away and still collect money from continued sales of her/his book.  On the other hand, only a handful of writers make the big bucks and the range between the highest and lowest income is astronomical.  Most are doing something else while their books are unsold and unread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nitipicking,</p>
<p>I never said I was feeling financially squeezed.  I also never realized I made more money than J K Rowling.  Bank CEOs are really going to be squeezed.  Those that run their companies so poorly that they require government bailout (my tax dollars) will be limited to an impoverishing $400,000 a year.</p>
<p>Physicians will never be rich because they are like prostitutes.  They have to be there to get paid.  Their income range is not that great.  A writer can write a book and go away and still collect money from continued sales of her/his book.  On the other hand, only a handful of writers make the big bucks and the range between the highest and lowest income is astronomical.  Most are doing something else while their books are unsold and unread.</p>
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		<title>By: Fifi</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12674</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Gorski - True but many people only make $20-30, 000 a year (and I don&#039;t know what alternate universe you live in where writers routinely make as much as doctors!). Quibbling over such a minor point as my lazy &quot;4 or 5 times&quot; doesn&#039;t really change the fact that medicine is a well paid profession. I&#039;m not making any kind of moral or social judgment about that. You seem to be being a bit of an apologist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Gorski &#8211; True but many people only make $20-30, 000 a year (and I don&#8217;t know what alternate universe you live in where writers routinely make as much as doctors!). Quibbling over such a minor point as my lazy &#8220;4 or 5 times&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really change the fact that medicine is a well paid profession. I&#8217;m not making any kind of moral or social judgment about that. You seem to be being a bit of an apologist.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gorski</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12661</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gorski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(Had to repost as the system doesn’t like the less than &amp; greater than symbols)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because they are used to mark HTML tags and appear before and after them, in HTML. WordPress interprets them as HTML and gets confused.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s because they are used to mark HTML tags and appear before and after them, in HTML. WordPress interprets them as HTML and gets confused.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gorski</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12660</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gorski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think you may be unaware of what most teachers make and that “under $100 000″ is sometimes 4 or 5 times what some people make&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In general, people with 11+ years of post-high school education make more than $20,000 a year. I&#039;m sure there are exceptions (the unemployed, for instance), but as a rule of thumb that&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think you may be unaware of what most teachers make and that “under $100 000″ is sometimes 4 or 5 times what some people make</p></blockquote>
<p>In general, people with 11+ years of post-high school education make more than $20,000 a year. I&#8217;m sure there are exceptions (the unemployed, for instance), but as a rule of thumb that&#8217;s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Fifi</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12641</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Gorski,
I think you may be unaware of what most teachers make and that &quot;under $100 000&quot; is sometimes 4 or 5 times what some people make. Sorry but comparing the top salary you&#039;ve seen for an experienced teacher (who is probably a specialist and also undergone extensive extra training) with the bottom salary of a doctor really only proves that doctors almost always make a lot more than people in professions like teaching and writing. People go into medicine to make money for a reason (and people go into specialities rather than remaining GPS for the money sometimes). It&#039;s a lucrative profession for the most part, particularly in the US where it&#039;s a private enterprise. 

Being a doctor is a lucrative profession but it&#039;s not, generally, going to make someone really rich (it moves people into the upper middle class bracket, rich to most people but not actually rich when compared to people who are rich). Doctors who get rich generally do so because they invest or engage in other businesses, write diet books and become pop MDs (usually mixing in some CAM for marketing purposes), and are in the business of medicine (rather than just practicing medicine).

Everyone who works or pays their own way through university has student loans to pay back. Doctors, however, have an advantage when they graduate because they step into decent salaries and are seen as solid credit risks. And, of course, some med students train outside of the country where it&#039;s cheaper (Canada, for instance).

As for engineers, sure IT professionals used to be paid a lot. Right now it&#039;s layoffs left and right and plummeting salaries. As a lawyer friend once said to me - the three safest professions are doctor, lawyer and accountant because no matter the economy you&#039;ll always be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Gorski,<br />
I think you may be unaware of what most teachers make and that &#8220;under $100 000&#8243; is sometimes 4 or 5 times what some people make. Sorry but comparing the top salary you&#8217;ve seen for an experienced teacher (who is probably a specialist and also undergone extensive extra training) with the bottom salary of a doctor really only proves that doctors almost always make a lot more than people in professions like teaching and writing. People go into medicine to make money for a reason (and people go into specialities rather than remaining GPS for the money sometimes). It&#8217;s a lucrative profession for the most part, particularly in the US where it&#8217;s a private enterprise. </p>
<p>Being a doctor is a lucrative profession but it&#8217;s not, generally, going to make someone really rich (it moves people into the upper middle class bracket, rich to most people but not actually rich when compared to people who are rich). Doctors who get rich generally do so because they invest or engage in other businesses, write diet books and become pop MDs (usually mixing in some CAM for marketing purposes), and are in the business of medicine (rather than just practicing medicine).</p>
<p>Everyone who works or pays their own way through university has student loans to pay back. Doctors, however, have an advantage when they graduate because they step into decent salaries and are seen as solid credit risks. And, of course, some med students train outside of the country where it&#8217;s cheaper (Canada, for instance).</p>
<p>As for engineers, sure IT professionals used to be paid a lot. Right now it&#8217;s layoffs left and right and plummeting salaries. As a lawyer friend once said to me &#8211; the three safest professions are doctor, lawyer and accountant because no matter the economy you&#8217;ll always be needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Withakay</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12640</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Withakay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Had to repost as the system doesn&#039;t like the less than &amp; greater than symbols)

Consider also that many of those PCP&#039;s who make well under under $100K and are also under 40years old still have massive student loans outstanding.

Also consider there a lot of very well paid engineers out there making under $100K (especially when you consider network engineers; try finding a really good Cisco engineer for $50K)</description>
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<p>Consider also that many of those PCP&#8217;s who make well under under $100K and are also under 40years old still have massive student loans outstanding.</p>
<p>Also consider there a lot of very well paid engineers out there making under $100K (especially when you consider network engineers; try finding a really good Cisco engineer for $50K)</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Withakay</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12639</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Withakay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider also that many of those PCP&#039;s who make well under $100K (especially when you consider network engineers; try finding a really good Cisco engineer for $50K)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider also that many of those PCP&#8217;s who make well under $100K (especially when you consider network engineers; try finding a really good Cisco engineer for $50K)</p>
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		<title>By: David Gorski</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12638</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gorski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it depends on the specialty. While it&#039;s true that some surgeons and specialists can rake in well over $300,000 a year (although, given the declining reimbursement for common procedures, making that much is very, very difficult for a general surgeon--or a breast surgeon for that matter, given that breast procedures are particularly poorly reimbursed), the primary care specialties are arguably underpaid. I&#039;ve met some pediatricians and primary care docs whose salaries were well under $100,000, and in New Jersey it was not uncommon to find teachers with a lot of experience making around $80,000. I realize NJ is probably an outlier, but the difference in salaries between some primary care docs and the professions you mention is probably not as great as you believe, and those professions don&#039;t have to do anywhere the number of years of training that doctors do (four years of college + four years of medical school + at least three years of residency, often more = at a minimum 11 years of post-high school training).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it depends on the specialty. While it&#8217;s true that some surgeons and specialists can rake in well over $300,000 a year (although, given the declining reimbursement for common procedures, making that much is very, very difficult for a general surgeon&#8211;or a breast surgeon for that matter, given that breast procedures are particularly poorly reimbursed), the primary care specialties are arguably underpaid. I&#8217;ve met some pediatricians and primary care docs whose salaries were well under $100,000, and in New Jersey it was not uncommon to find teachers with a lot of experience making around $80,000. I realize NJ is probably an outlier, but the difference in salaries between some primary care docs and the professions you mention is probably not as great as you believe, and those professions don&#8217;t have to do anywhere the number of years of training that doctors do (four years of college + four years of medical school + at least three years of residency, often more = at a minimum 11 years of post-high school training).</p>
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		<title>By: We need badges &#171; DUNCAN CROSS</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12636</link>
		<dc:creator>We need badges &#171; DUNCAN CROSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] free to use them on blogs or other pages, but do link the image to one of the many good posts (elsewhere) that detail Wellsphere&#8217;s abuse of medical bloggers. SHARETHIS.addEntry({ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nitpicking</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12635</link>
		<dc:creator>nitpicking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weing, speaking as a non-doc:  all of us who make less money than you do would like to point out that even in this time when you feel financially squeezed, medical doctors still make a lot of money by the standard of most professions.  Say, teachers, writers, and engineers to name 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weing, speaking as a non-doc:  all of us who make less money than you do would like to point out that even in this time when you feel financially squeezed, medical doctors still make a lot of money by the standard of most professions.  Say, teachers, writers, and engineers to name 3.</p>
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		<title>By: All Blogged Up: A Moof&#8217;s Tale / Just Another Blog Scraper &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Blogged Up: A Moof&#8217;s Tale / Just Another Blog Scraper &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Val Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12616</link>
		<dc:creator>Val Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of note, this post is featured on the home page of Nature.com Blogs. High five to cool commenters Karl, Fifi, and Perky. :)

http://blogs.nature.com/stories/599</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of note, this post is featured on the home page of Nature.com Blogs. High five to cool commenters Karl, Fifi, and Perky. <img src='http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.nature.com/stories/599" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.nature.com/stories/599</a></p>
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		<title>By: Perky Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12615</link>
		<dc:creator>Perky Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a nickel for every time that a content producer tried to sell me on the idea that my giving away my hard-drawn artwork for free was a great idea for me because it would give me more exposure, etc., etc., bsbs... 

It&#039;s no different from the scam they&#039;re pulling here on doctors. &quot;Oh, your writing will be seen by a wider audience, blah blah, the exposure will be so good for your profile!&quot; Yeah, yeah. I have charities to which I give my time and work away for free, and you know what the difference is? They are honest and up-front about it being charity, and they aren&#039;t using my work to make money for their shareholders instead of their cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a nickel for every time that a content producer tried to sell me on the idea that my giving away my hard-drawn artwork for free was a great idea for me because it would give me more exposure, etc., etc., bsbs&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no different from the scam they&#8217;re pulling here on doctors. &#8220;Oh, your writing will be seen by a wider audience, blah blah, the exposure will be so good for your profile!&#8221; Yeah, yeah. I have charities to which I give my time and work away for free, and you know what the difference is? They are honest and up-front about it being charity, and they aren&#8217;t using my work to make money for their shareholders instead of their cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Withakay</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-12612</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Withakay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>botogolon,

You can still sell your material yourself, but Wellsphere can underbid you anytime you try to sell your material to anyone, and Wellshpere can publish a book of 5 years of your medical blog posts without giving you a penny.  Furthermore, you have no control of what quotes form your content that Wellsphere can cherry pick, amalgamate with other people&#039;s content, and republish in any form they choose.

One blog post isn&#039;t worth much, but one blog site can be extremely valuable.    The reality is that for any of the semi-established blogs like Respectful Insolence or Neurologica, the value exchange in the relationship is slanted in favor of Wellsphere.  

Consider these blogs already have an established presence on the web, and can exist just fine without Wellsphere, but Wellsphere has nothing if they don&#039;t get content provided to them.  

How much traffic is Wellsphere going to bring into any of those blogs?  The more content Wellsphere acquires, the less value they end up providing to any individual content provider as they divide their &quot;promotion efforts&quot; across all the content providers. (This is how it becomes a Ponzi/pyramid scheme). 

The lesser blogs probably get no more value than the established ones.

 They can&#039;t really &quot;feature&quot; 1000 or more different content providers, and the benefit of linking to the content provider&#039;s site doesn&#039;t really provide any value if they reproduce all the content on Wellsphere.  (If everything on getbetterhealth.com and neurologica.com were cross posted to sciencbasedmedicine.com, I wouldn&#039;t bother visiting those sites as I could get everything from one place.

What they end up providing is a way for them to acquire IP rights to valuable, needed content in exchange for magic jelly beans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>botogolon,</p>
<p>You can still sell your material yourself, but Wellsphere can underbid you anytime you try to sell your material to anyone, and Wellshpere can publish a book of 5 years of your medical blog posts without giving you a penny.  Furthermore, you have no control of what quotes form your content that Wellsphere can cherry pick, amalgamate with other people&#8217;s content, and republish in any form they choose.</p>
<p>One blog post isn&#8217;t worth much, but one blog site can be extremely valuable.    The reality is that for any of the semi-established blogs like Respectful Insolence or Neurologica, the value exchange in the relationship is slanted in favor of Wellsphere.  </p>
<p>Consider these blogs already have an established presence on the web, and can exist just fine without Wellsphere, but Wellsphere has nothing if they don&#8217;t get content provided to them.  </p>
<p>How much traffic is Wellsphere going to bring into any of those blogs?  The more content Wellsphere acquires, the less value they end up providing to any individual content provider as they divide their &#8220;promotion efforts&#8221; across all the content providers. (This is how it becomes a Ponzi/pyramid scheme). </p>
<p>The lesser blogs probably get no more value than the established ones.</p>
<p> They can&#8217;t really &#8220;feature&#8221; 1000 or more different content providers, and the benefit of linking to the content provider&#8217;s site doesn&#8217;t really provide any value if they reproduce all the content on Wellsphere.  (If everything on getbetterhealth.com and neurologica.com were cross posted to sciencbasedmedicine.com, I wouldn&#8217;t bother visiting those sites as I could get everything from one place.</p>
<p>What they end up providing is a way for them to acquire IP rights to valuable, needed content in exchange for magic jelly beans.</p>
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