1. How come the “saponified oil” is green despite some testimonials claiming they used a safflower oil or something similar that isn’t green?

2. Why are the “stones” often extremely neon green, more similar to the perceived colour of bile than to olive oil?

Sorry if these questions have been answered already, but I don’t remember reading that explanation in the article. I’m certainly not going to filter through bobby- fluffy nut’s pointless contributions in order to see if it was in the comments.

I recently asked a gastroenterologist – who regularly “plumbs the depths” of people’s colon – if she had seen this accumulated “waste” (or “toxins”) during colonoscopy. Strangely enough, she had not. Not even in people who had not followed the “bowel prep” instructions.

It is possible that she was lying to me, since she is undoubtedly – at least in the fevered minds of the “colon cleanse” fetishists – part of the “mainstream medicine oligarchy” intent on hiding the “truth” from public. However, this is the same answer I’ve received from every gastroenterologist and gastrointestinal surgeon I’ve ever had the nerve to ask (they all give me such a strange look when I ask the question).

So, which is more likely?

[1] All doctors are part of a massive conspiracy to hide the “fact” that our colons are gradually accumulating “toxins” and “waste”.

[2] The people advocating “colon cleansing” and “liver flushing” (or is it “colon flushing” and “liver cleansing”?) are deluded individuals with an elimination fetish.

My money is on [2].

As for “benogs” – his first few comments had me thinking that he was a sincere, if gullible, person. However, his subsequent, more vitriolic, postings have revealed him to be just as closed-minded and abusive as he imagines doctors to be. He should forget about medical school – since he already knows more than anybody else, it would just be a massive disappointment.

Prometheus

I’ll stick to my dirty, naughty colon, thanks. It won’t be “cleansed” but it will very likely go on doing what it’s supposed to do for the next couple of decades.

as for Bobby the troll.
You lose. go to the back of the class with the guy who cites whale.to pages as references.

Which would you rather learn quarterbacking from, a very good quarterback on a mediocre team, or a mediocre quarterback on a very good team?

The Colts are 8-3 with Peyton Manning
The Titans are 11-1 w/ Kerry Collins and they beat the Colts 31-21 in week 8

Who would you rather take advice from about quarterbacking?

And, oddly enough, here you are…

I suspect I know who “DavidGorksi-is-a-known-Carcinogen” is, though. He is almost certainly one William O’Neill of the Canadian Cancer Research Group. In 2005, Mr. O’Neill did actually e-mail my bosses (Division Chief, Department Chair, and Cancer Center Director) at my former place of employment, threatening to sue and trying to get me fired. Guess what? Nothing happened. My bosses all immediately recognized Mr. O’Neill as a crank. In fact, my Department Chair at the time, Dr. Steve Lowry, laughed at the matter over dinner at a departmental retreat and called Mr. O’Neill a “bully.” He also told me that what I do on my own time is my own business, as did my Division Chief and Cancer Center Director.

I proceeded to rack up a couple of more research grants after that.

In any case, since then, O’Neill has periodically popped up to do the same (usually if I mention favorably his apparent nemesis, Australian skeptic Peter Bowditch) until I finally got fed up with him and told him that I was forwarding all his threats to me to my bosses myself–and then I did it. People like William O’Neill do teach us one thing, though, and that’s that speaking out against quackery will bring out the cranks. Some of them will try to harass you or hurt you professionally.

You will find Gorski was fired from his last job and everyone thought he was an a-hole.

from the site:

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Not too long ago I emailed Gorski and all senior staff and board members of the cancer center afflicted with his metastasizing malignant personality and he was summarily fired. It seems despite Crazy Gorski’s take that all share his patholigies and see the world through his greatness, center staff and executives were delighted to have grounds to fire Gorski on the spot.

Gorski continues to haunt me on the internet while he is unemployed. I have to admit it’s like a dog trying to hump your leg. Kick him in head and he keeps coming back for more.

Gorski! if your life skills aid or wiping monkey is reading this to you, remember what happened to Barret and Polevoy…..

Posted by: DavidGorksi-is-a-known-Carcinogen | September 14, 2007 at 01:38 PM
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My point about the top 50 schools was, when we are looking to take advice from people we take advice from the best.

When I want to learn bodybuilding, I hope to learn from Arnold Schwarzenegger. When I learn about quarterbacking I try to learn from Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. I don’t try to learn from a guy like Rex Grossman (who is an NFL quarterback but sucks! So, just like being an MD, he has the title of NFL quarterback, but do we just take advice from anyone?)

WE DON’T LEARN FROM AVERAGE PEOPLE. WE LEARN FROM THE TOP, THE BEST. When we look at the best medical schools for research we look at Johns Hopkins, not Wayne State. We don’t look for guys that got fired to teach us stuff!

So in the end, we ask WHY do these MDs who supposively are successful and smart spend there free time arguing with college students or alternative medicine people? The reason is, #1 because Gorski was fired from his job (I bet 80% of the people on this site have never been fired) and #2 because they aren’t successful.

They criticize people like Dr. Weil, Oprah, Dr. Oz, etc.

Lets figure something out, all 3 of those people make WAYYY more money than any of you nerds who rule the chats rooms. Why aren’t they online getting into arguments? Because they have better things to do. They are making money, serving people, doing important things.

Just like a college student, YOU MDS HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. And obviously have no strong social lives. Gorski is either unmarried or married to a woman like Harriet. Lets see, go home to my hot wife or GO ONLINE with nerds and argue about alternative medicine.

Seriously, can’t agree with Bobby anymore. Down syndrome and Goose combined.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?page_id=224

You are a pathetic loser.

Since you are now recommending wikipedia, you might try looking at your own photo at

http://www.wikipedia.com/patheticgutlessloser

There is no scientific evidence that I offer because… no one cares! But answer the question above.

And why do you look like such a nerd?

Answer both of the questions and then we can have a discussion on science.

Down syndrome Goose to the rescue!

Seriously everyone, I’m not kidding…

look at this guy:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?page_id=224

Everyone of those schools. Lol. If you were really such an authority you would,
#1 be a part of at least a top 70 school! lol
#2 not spend time insulting college students on how they are credulous.

Bobby,

Do you honestly think that there aren’t experts at smaller institutions or clueless incompetents at Harvard? For example, one of the big experts in breast cancer surgery whom I happen to admire quite a bit happens to be faculty at the University of Arkansas.

In any case, one notes that you have yet to provide a single logical or scientific argument to support your case for colon cleansing, but instead have only provided ad hominem attacks. Lots of verbiage and childish mocking, but absolutely zero arguments of substance, and certainly nothing to refute what I’ve written or to make me change my assessment that we don’t need someone like you becoming a physician.

In any case, I don’t have time to spar with a snot-nosed kid like you right now aside from this quick swipe. Your antics bore me. I’ve been online probably longer than you’ve been alive; I’ve seen your kind time and time again. Get back to me when you’ve actually accomplished something of value in medicine or science or when you can come up with a coherent scientific argument. I might take you seriously then.

What do you get when you cross down syndrome with the character Goose from the movie Top Gun?

Answer? view the picture below…

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?page_id=224