Biofeedback and Laser for Allergies

AllergiCare Relief Centers are a chain of franchises started by a man called David Tucker who is not listed as having an MD or any other title. They offer diagnosis of allergies by biofeedback and treatment of allergies by laser acupuncture. They admit that the method is not backed by any science, and they claim that what they are doing is not medical treatment.

Responsible journalism might have investigated this as quackery or practicing medicine without a license. Instead, irresponsible journalism has helped promote these centers and has given them invaluable free advertising.

From one news story:

Tucker said the device works based on biofeedback. The allergy sufferer wears a sensing clip on his finger for testing, and the computer simulates the bio-frequency for 10,000 known allergens. As the body responds to those stimuli, the computer lists which substances are irritants. “This digitized allergen actually matches the harmonic frequency of the actual allergen, making the body believe it is in contact with the real substance,” Tucker said. “The body will react if it is allergic to the particular substance.” ….Once the allergens are identified, a laser stimulates biomeridian points on the body — the same points used in acupuncture and acupressure. Tucker said the idea is to strengthen organs to act properly the next time they encounter the allergen — that is, to treat them as harmless…So far, there is no science to prove the devices work, but Tucker claims a 70 percent positive response rate.

They asked a representative of the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America to comment. He wimped out, saying, “AAFA is not familiar with this treatment option and therefore cannot comment.” An allergy specialist, Dr. Goldsobel, was a little more forthcoming. He called the AllergiCare business “a media campaign with specious claims.” The reporter compared the new treatment to conventional allergy treatment and in the process, managed to cast doubt on conventional allergy treatments.

The company website says “The BAX3000 is the first and only FDA cleared, US patented system for eliminating allergies.”

That’s not exactly true. The BAX3000 is a biofeedback machine, approved ONLY for biofeedback by the FDA. The only thing the company has patented is the digital conductance meter. The BAX3000 is just another in a long line of quack electronic diagnostic and treatment devices that started with electroacupuncture according to Voll (EAV) in the 1950s. They basically measure galvanic skin conductance. There are various versions making different claims. In this version they claim to be measuring what a patient is allergic to; then they return the same frequencies back to the acupuncture points as treatment. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch doesn’t mince words: he says

I believe that EAV devices should be confiscated and that practitioners who use them are either delusional, dishonest, or both.

They treat runny nose, sinus congestions, watery eyes, itchy skin, hives, asthma, wheezing, stomach upset, eczema, lower GI problems. Fatigue, lack of energy, almost anything could be a sign of allergies. They don’t claim to treat anaphylaxis. I wonder why.

You can go to their website and use their allergy symptom checker to enter your own symptoms and get a preliminary idea where your problem lies. I had fun checking various combinations of symptoms. Entering “headache, yearly, evening, and indoors” produced glutamates, gliadin, yogurt, gluten and iron. Checking “IBS, after meals, and indoors” yielded inactive digestive enzymes, inorganic salts, H-C-L [sic], histamines and iron. Checking “bloating and cramps in the morning” yielded histamines, salicylates, coffee, mucigen and mucin. Checking EVERY symptom on the list yielded “Mucus Membranes, Mucus, Mucin, Mucigen and Glutamates.” It wouldn’t give an answer if I checked nothing, but when I checked only “morning” it yielded Coffee, Epithelial Cells, Mucus Membranes, Dust Components, and Leukotrienes.

I knew I was allergic to mornings, but I thought coffee was the treatment, not the allergen. How could anyone be allergic to mucus membranes? Or iron? Or in the case of a patient mentioned on the website, vitamin B12?

I phoned the company to ask some questions. I got a confused rigmarole of pseudoscientific hogwash. The machine is a biofeedback device that acts as an ohm meter, with impedance indicating the acupuncture meridians. There are some kind of mysterious skin receptor molecules that receive the information and then send signals to the rest of the body. They refer to named acupuncture points and meridians that they assume are real. They use a laser to reprogram specific acupuncture meridians, apparently teaching the body not to respond to the allergen. He kept trying to tell me that there was some kind of neurologic response to immune stimuli but couldn’t explain it coherently.

I asked how they determined the unique frequency of each allergen in the first place. He said they did it with an oscilloscope. I asked how they managed to accomplish that and he couldn’t explain. I asked if the measurements were repeated and validated (apparently not). I asked how they could verify that they had the correct frequency. He answered,

When the wellness of the patient takes place.

I had great difficulty maintaining my composure at that point in the conversation. He admitted there were no studies yet, and that it required a leap of faith. But he could give me lots of testimonials and recommendations from lots of chiropractors. He was really sure it worked because he’d seen the results.

I don’t doubt it. If you are diagnosed as being allergic to something you’re not allergic to, then you can be exposed to it without getting any symptoms, and that counts as success. If you have any vague symptom that goes away on its own or responds to suggestion, that counts as success. If you really are allergic to something and the symptoms vary over time (as they almost always do), that counts as success too.

After the phone call I e-mailed the company again and asked if their technical experts could tell me the frequency of ragweed pollen. They never answered.

They are charging patients several hundreds of dollars for this nonsense. And they have happy customers. They claim a high success rate: “proven by over a decade of consistent results with solid success with tens of thousands of people who have had their allergies/sensitivities completely eliminated.”

They have a disclaimer: “The treatments we perform are not medical treatments. It has been developed from an entirely different field of therapeutics using the principles of Traditional Chinese Medicine, the study of human physiology and an in-depth knowledge of allergens.”

The reporter didn’t do his homework. He could easily have found out that using a biofeedback machine (with or without lasers) to diagnose and treat allergies not only doesn’t work but is illegal. The FDA confiscates these machines whenever it learns about them and has the time and manpower to act. In a recent series in the Seattle Times, reporters Mike Berens and Christine Willmsen did a thorough expose of related “energy medicine” devices, an expose that led to prosecutions and regulatory actions. This reporter missed the chance to do something equally useful.

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27 thoughts on “Biofeedback and Laser for Allergies

  1. Fredeliot2 says:

    I saw this system featured on a local TV station in CT and nearly gagged to death. They did have a doctor that said there was no scientific basis but the overall impression for the public was that it worked. A big selling point was there was no pain. The demo was done on a young woman and it confirmed several previously known allergies plus one additional one. My suspicions are that the known allergies are entered into the program before the test so they will always be confirmed. The previously unknown one will always be cured with the laser.

    I did send an email to the station complaining about the piece but received no response. I even mentioned that CT has one of the best doctors in the world for recognizing medical nonsense. This past week they had on a Naturopath showing how to make a garlic poultice to apply to a child’s foot to cure the sniffles.

  2. BigEoinO says:

    I filled in the details of my 4 month old boy’s cold and apparently he is allergic to Trees.

  3. Joe says:

    @ Fredeliot2,

    I am a bit confused by what you wrote. Am I correct that you suggested that the “young woman” was a confederate of the person plugging the treatment? She did not have to actually work for the proponent, one of his people could have engaged her in a conversation (i.e., “hot reading”- making her a confederate, by proxy).

  4. Fizzizist says:

    I agree, these people should have there machines confiscated and they should be labeled “delusional”

  5. Harriet Hall says:

    I got a private message from a woman who wishes to remain anonymous. Her medical doctor tested her with a similar bogus device, the Zyto Balance. It supposedly revealed what supplements would benefit her; they sold her two supplements. One supplement caused diarrhea and then she read the label and realized it contained gluten, which she knew she was intolerant to. Before she took the other, she read the label and discovered it also had something she was allergic to.

    I have encouraged her to report her experience to the appropriate authorities. It appalls me that an MD has either fallen for this pseudoscientific nonsense or is cynically exploiting patients.

    On the website it explains that the machine is asking the body questions about its current energy state, and that since it is constantly changing, every scan will give a different result and the most recent scan is the one to go by. If this were true, the supplements recommended today would not be appropriate tomorrow. It sounds like the machine is simply generating random results.

  6. Claire says:

    As if it’s not bad enough to be afflicted by itching, sneezes, hives, wheezes etc, we folk with allergies seem to be the target demographic for every kind of practitioner’s fanciful claims. Claims which, as your post shows, are frequently aided and abetted by credulous, irresponsible journalism. I used to smile sweetly at well meaning people eager to share with me the news of the latest allergy “cure” and quicky change the subject. But I’ve adopted a new tactic. I tell them I’ve developed a new allergy – to quackery.

  7. delaneypa says:

    Isn’t practicing medicine without a license illegal? Well at least it used to be.

  8. mmarsh says:

    So, when they’re using this on a patient, do they play Pink Floyd?

  9. weing says:

    Yes it is illegal. Practicing alternative medicine, aka quackery, should not be done by MDs. They can get in trouble for doing it as the standard of care is breached.

  10. Fredeliot2 says:

    In regards to my first post, I do not believe the young woman was a confederate of the chiropractor but merely a dupe. Of course I could be wrong. I’m sure she filled out a questionaire when she came for treatment that asked for known allergies and I believe that they get entered into the computer before the test is run or the machine operator simply says that was what was found. It’s a great way to get people to think the machine does something.

  11. mjranum says:

    The machine is a biofeedback device that acts as an ohm meter, with impedance indicating the acupuncture meridians.

    Sweet!!! So it can also be used to check whether people are “clear” of thetans, or whatever it is that the Scientologists use their E-meters for.


  12. Jaban says:

    I wonder what their treatment for an epithelial cell allergy is.

  13. Fifi says:

    mjranum – Bingo! Though, to be fair, the E-meter did seem to be invented by a chiropractor who worked with L. Ron Hubbard when he was still promoting Scientology as a “science”. Scientology only became a religion a bit later to dodge taxes.

  14. The Blind Watchmaker says:

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but I don’t think Traditional Chinese medicine included electronic devices.

    I guess all that stuff about eosinophils, mast cells and IgE was a waste of time.

  15. dbt1969 says:

    This is the David Tucker referenced above…I hope that this blog entry is not erased (although I would fully expect it from a group of close-minded individuals). Firstly, I have never claimed to be a doctor, and I am not…however I had been an allergy sufferer my entire life. As skeptical as all allergy sufferers are regarding treatments, my frustration continued to mount after taking medication after medication as well as receiving allergy shot for over half of my life…with no decrease in symptoms whatsoever.

    So with nothing to lose, and after having already spent who knows how many thousands of dollars, I sought alternative methods of treatment, which is when I was introduced to this method of treatment. After only two treatments, I woke up without the hardened phlegm and mucous in my throat that I had become accustomed to throughout my life. Coincidence? Maybe I thought. Let’s see what happens tomorrow…and the next day. However, ever since, those symptoms have not returned. Encouraged by this, I continued to get treated for items THAT I HAD TESTED POSITIVE FOR ON MY RAST TEST THAT WAS PERFORMED BY MY IMMUNOLOGIST. Pollen, hayfever and cat dander were among them. Interestingly enough I have never been able to stay over at my mother-in-laws house because of her cats and have had to incur the expense of a hotel. Again, after being treated I can now stay over and have a cat on my lap without the symptoms. One time, coincidence. Two times…probably not.

    As my excitement grew, as I knew many others had shared the same frustrations, I wondered why this method of treatment was not readily available. Thus I hired a licensed practitioner and opened my own clinic. Excited, but still hesitant thinking that maybe my treatment was an apparition, others suffering from allergies came to our clinic, and after being treated, shared with me similar success stories as mine. And now this method is being offered throughout the company by trained practitioners under the common name AllergiCare.

    Now as for all of your arrogance…allergy shots have been offered by immunologists for years…and do they work? Not for everyone and not for most of the people that I have interviewed or that we see in our clinics every day. Are allergy shots scientifically based? No. There is a theory on why it may work, but no concrete science-based evidence. And isn’t a medical practice called a “practice” for a reason? Because these so-called “medical” doctors practice on their patients everyday prescribing medications and medical devices that they did not learn about in school but rather had been instructed on its use by a pharmaceutical or medical sales rep (not a licensed physician). By the way, I used to work for a medical equipment company so I know this to be true.

    The healthcare system, with the gross reimbursement offered by insurance companies, rewards medical doctors with high paid salaries. The system creates a financial reward system for individuals wanting to succeed financially, therefore becoming medical doctors not necessarily because they want to help people, but only for financial gain. This does not apply to all medical doctors, of course, as there are so many fantastic MD’s that I know that truly have a passion to help individuals. However, there is no real financial reward in being an alternative health practitioner. These practitioners enter their profession because they truly want to help other lead healthier lives. Are there “bad eggs” looking to make a quick buck? There are…and they give alternative medicine a bad name. But is every MD morally and ethically sound? Absolutely not.

    Not being a doctor, and not having a science background, all I cared about were the results, which is what our patients are seeking. Do I promise results? No more than the immunologist, but nobody is calling them quacks. However we have provided results for patients, which is what matters most. A technique can have all the science-backed research needed to back up its claims, but you know what, if it doesn’t work for you than it doesn’t really matter, does it?

  16. Harriet Hall says:

    David Tucker,

    I understand that your experience was very convincing to you. But for centuries thousands of people had similar experiences that convinced them that bloodletting worked. If I tried your treatment based on your anecdotal evidence, I would have even more reason to try bloodletting. Do you think I should? Would you let someone take pints of your blood with a lancet because they told you a story like the one you have told us?

    The scientific method was developed over time to help us sort out the valid anecdotal evidence from the false. Until you put your treatment to the test, you cannot know if it really works or if you and your patients have been misled.

    Since you are not a scientist, why not take the word of the world’s scientists that the machine you are using is so implausible that for your claims to be true, a great deal of well-established scientific knowledge would have to be proven false. Asking us to believe your method works is like asking us to believe you can overcome gravity and levitate at will.

    Allergies are strange critters. I too used to be violently allergic to cats – I would sneeze constantly when I entered a house where a cat lived, even if I didn’t know there was a cat there. A few years ago, a stray cat climbed into my lap and I didn’t sneeze. We adopted her and I have since spent a lot of time around cats and they don’t bother me at all any more. My allergy went away with no treatment at all. If I had tried your treatment, I would have given it the credit – falsely.

    I hope you will continue to read this blog and learn more about science and how the scientific method works. Also, please read “Why Bogus Therapies Often Seem to Work – at
    A friend of mine believed he was doing accurate palm readings until a friend gave him a challenge: try telling people the opposite of what their palm says. He did that and found out he was just as successful. You could try a similar experiment… but I suspect you won’t, because you are a true believer who wants to prove “that” it works rather than a scientist who wants to find out “if” it really works.

    Consider the ethical aspects: if you are wrong, you may be taking people’s money under false pretenses. What would you think of a medical doctor or pharmaceutical company who started charging hundreds of dollars for a treatment they had not tested?

    Just out of curiousity, can you tell us the frequency of ragweed pollen and explain how it was measured? I would really like to know, and the BAX company wouldn’t tell me.

  17. Prometheus says:

    Mr. Tucker replies:

    Firstly, I have never claimed to be a doctor, and I am not…however I had been an allergy sufferer my entire life.

    Super! So, you’re admitting that your only qualification to say that this machine works is that you suffer from allergies? I’ve had a blocked toilet – does that make me qualified to do the job of a plumber?

    And isn’t a medical practice called a “practice” for a reason?

    Absolutely! The reason is that one of the definitions of the word “practice” is:

    “The exercise or pursuit of a profession or occupation, esp. law or medicine.

    However, that was a nice try at using a logical fallacy to “prove” your point.

    …prescribing medications and medical devices that they did not learn about in school but rather had been instructed on its use by a pharmaceutical or medical sales rep…

    Of course, if doctors never prescribed medications or devices that hadn’t existed when they were in medical school, we wouldn’t be spending so much on health care today (since the older stuff is usually cheaper). We wouldn’t be living so long, either.

    However, there is no real financial reward in being an alternative health practitioner.

    Oh, now that’s a real laugh! “Alternative” practitioners generally don’t have to limit themselves to the reimbursement schedules of the insurers (including Medicare and Medicaid), nor do they have to have malpractice insurance. They also generally don’t have someone on-call 24/7 in case a patient falls ill or has questions.

    And they also sell the medications, “supplements”, devices and whatnot that they prescribe (another nice profit center that most “mainstream” physicians are legally barred from exploiting).

    No, the canard that “alternative health practitioners” aren’t financially rewarded is refuted by the elaborate offices and extensive bank accounts so many of them have – much more so than their “mainstream medicine” counterparts.

    So, Mr. Tucker’s reason for thinking that measuring the resistance of skin will diagnose allergies and a laser tuned to the correct frequency will eliminate them is, essentially:

    My allergies got better after I used it. And so did other other people’s allergies.

    Does Mr. Tucker know how many people didn’t see an improvement in their allergies after using this “therapy”? I doubt it. Does he know what percentage of people experience spontaneous remission of their allergy symptoms? I doubt it.

    If he did, he would have placed that information at the TOP of his website. Unless, of course, it showed that this “therapy” was no better than placebo. Which it probably is.


  18. Militant Agnostic says:

    Here for what it is worth is my personal allergy anecdote.

    I have lost many of the allergies (especially the food ones) that a had as a child and as young adult without doing anything.

    I can eat many foods that I used be allergic

    My asthma has also improved immensly to the point where my inhalers expire long before they become empty.

    The power of the nocebo is amazing.

  19. Debbie-IQS says:

    Why Doctors are Idiots: 150 Years of Disastrous Advice on Children’s Health (satire)
    Saturday, December 15, 2007 by: Mike Adams

    With mandatory vaccines suddenly being forced onto parents by doctors and so-called “health authorities” in places like Maryland, New Jersey and Texas, you might think that doctors being full of sh^t is a new phenomenon. But no, it’s nothing new. Doctors have been full of sh*t for more than a hundred years! What follows is a short timeline of the nonsense, junk science, negligence and harmful advice peddled by medical doctors over the last 150 years or so:

    Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian-Hungarian obstetrician working in a clinic that delivers babies, is labeled “insane” by his fellow doctors for having the audacity to suggest that doctors should wash their hands between delivering babies. He’s fired from his job, ostracized by the medical community and later dies in an insane asylum and is only vindicated long after his death when it is realized that, indeed, infections are spread from one patient to another by physicians who are too lazy, stubborn or egoistic to simply wash their hands. (A lack of hand washing continues to be the primary reason why MRSA and other superbugs are spread in hospitals today…)

    Don’t breastfeed your babies! Use infant formula instead. It’s more “high-tech.” Cow’s milk is obviously healthier for your babies than mother’s milk, right? That’s what the doc says… Result: Tens of millions of mothers stopped breastfeeding their babies, resulting in widespread nutritional deficiencies that impacted those children for life. The pushing of infant formula onto mothers continues today in hospitals across the country which are paid by infant formula manufacturers to give free samples of infant formula to new mothers, hoping they will stop breastfeeding and start buying formula. (Saving grace: A few courageous pediatricians now speak out forcefully about the importance of breastfeeding…)

    Smoking while pregnant? No problem. Doctors recommend Camels more than any other cigarette! Result: Massive chemical toxicity of the bodies of newborns. Increased cancer risk, reduced brain development and a lifetime of immune system disorders. (Cigarette ads routinely appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association for well over a decade.)

    Need a new pair of shoes for your kid? Go size ‘em up with the fluoroscope X-ray machine at your local shoe store! Never mind the radiation exposure of 20 – 75 rems per minute! See wikipedia article here. Result: Massive increase in cancer among parents and children who visited the shoe stores. Doctors remained silent on this significant health risk for decades while millions were harmed — even after strong evidence pointed to the fact that X-ray radiation caused cancer.

    Hey pregnant women, take thalidomide for your cancer! Don’t worry about your unborn children. This chemical is perfectly safe! Result: 10,000 children born with physical deformities. Doctors continued to use infants and pregnant women in pharmaceutical experiments for the next fifty years. See Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 – 2007).

    Feed your children processed foods! White bread is good for them, don’t you know? And monosodium glutamate is perfectly healthy for children, which is why food companies add it to baby food! So is saccharin, hydrogenated oils and sodium nitrite in processed meat. Result: Massive malnutrition, liver damage, and the beginnings of the diabetes and obesity epidemics that would sweep the nation over the next generation.

    Place mercury into the mouths of your little children by having their cavities filled with “silver” fillings (made with 40% mercury, a potent neurotoxin). Result: Widespread mercury toxicity in children, resulting in a sharp increase in neurological conditions, including behavioral disorders, infertility and autism. Ignorant, obstinate dentists continue to use mercury fillings today, and the American Dental Association remains in full support of this extremely dangerous heavy metal that results in the mass poisoning of children.

    Your kid have a cold? It’s probably because their tonsils need to be removed! Tonsils have no biological function anyway, doctors claimed. Result: Over the last several decades, surgeons have removed tens of millions of tonsils, maiming children with a medically useless procedure that has now been proven virtually worthless. But it sure did raise funds to pay for the luxury German sedans driven by those surgeons!

    Microwave all the food you feed children. It’s quick, convenient and perfectly healthy! Result: A massive increase in the consumption of processed, artificially modified and dead foods. The introduction of the microwave correlates nearly perfectly with the explosion of obesity and diabetes in western nations. Most doctors still have nothing negative to say about the use of the microwave.

    Does your child have an ear infection? Hammer them with antibiotics. Don’t worry about the fact that antibiotics are useless against ear infections, or that they wipe out your child’s friendly intestinal flora and cause nutritional deficiencies. It’s doctor-recommended, so it must be good, right? Result: Billions of doses of useless antibiotics helped breed a new generation of superbug viruses that have now escaped the hospitals and are infecting the public at large. Antibiotics are useless to stop them, and doctors still have not figured out that you can kill superbugs with colloidal silver or garlic. (A fact that ancient human civilizations knew thousands of years ago…)

    Coat your children with sunscreen. The sun is dangerous and has no health benefits whatsoever, didn’t you know? And besides, all those chemicals in sunscreen are perfectly safe. Result: Children are now living with severe vitamin D deficiencies (even rickets!) that greatly increase rates of breast cancer, prostate cancer, osteoporosis, depression, obesity and diabetes. Doctors still don’t recognize the important role of vitamin D in children’s health, and they prescribe drugs to treat the symptoms of disease rather than recommending vitamin D (which would correct the underlying problems and eliminate the need for pharmaceuticals).

    Does your baby have a cough? Feed ‘em sugared-up, chemically-contaminated cough syrup made by pharmaceutical companies. Don’t worry that it’s never been tested on infants or approved by the FDA. It works, right? It’s doctor-recommended! Result: Over a billion doses of useless, “quack” cough medicine swallowed by infants. The cough syrup hoax was finally blown wide open in 2007 when a few courageous pediatric physicians finally admitted the products have absolutely no medicinal effects and might, in fact, be dangerous for infants and children. The FDA continues to allow their sale, however, since they’re still quite profitable to Big Pharma (even though they don’t work).

    Is little Johnny a bit too jazzed up for your comfort level? Don’t worry, psychiatrists have a solution: Street drugs for children! Illegal amphetamines are now legal thanks to the Big Pharma / FDA partnership, and your friendly psych doctor is ready to prescribe Ritalin and antidepressant drugs to your “hyperactive” kids. Result: Widespread school shootings in America. Tens of millions of children suffer stunted physical and mental development — a dangerous side effects that doesn’t emerge until 2007. See

    Too posh to push? Don’t worry, your obstetrician will schedule a C-section childbirth appointment and deliver the baby on YOUR schedule instead of Mother Nature’s. It’s more convenient for him, too, because then he can still make his golf game. Don’t worry about the baby: There’s no benefit to vaginal childbirth anyway, right? What better way to welcome your child to the world than with a scalpel! Result: Millions of women subject their children to non-natural child birthing that results in an increased risk of lung disease afflictions as well as psychological birthing trauma lasting a lifetime.

    Worried about your child getting an infectious disease? Inject your children with multiple vaccines. It will protect them from infectious disease and may, in fact, protect them from oral sex! (At least that’s what Merck claims.) Besides, there’s nothing wrong with a little mercury, right? Result: Unknown. It’s a great medical experiment now being conducted on the children of America. It’s backed by idiot doctors and gun-toting law enforcement personnel who are ready to arrest parents who resist the vaccination mandates.

    Need some food for your baby? Buy Similac (or any other baby formula powder). It’s made with 42.6% corn syrup solids and 10.1% sugar, making it over 50% refined sugars! Marketed with a cuddly teddy bear on the front label and sporting the claim, “Balanced nutrition for older babies,” Similac and other infant formula products are little more than sugar water for babies. Doctors and pediatricians remain silent. There is no outcry. No national scandal. No action by the FDA to protect babies. Some doctors even recommend this stuff!
    (And stupid parents keep buying it!)

    A survey of 1,600 practicing physicians published in the Annals of Internal Medicine reveals that reveals that nearly half of all doctors failed to report an incompetent colleague who posed a risk to the health or safety of a patient. The same survey also revealed that a majority of doctors would send their patients to get expensive imaging work done at an imaging facility in which they held a financial interest, but only 24 percent of doctors said they would reveal that conflict of interest to patients.
    Result: Yet more incompetent, dishonest doctors continue to scam customers and harm patients. The scourge of modern medicine continues as corrupt, ignorant and downright incompetent doctors continue to harm millions of expectant mothers, infants, babies and children with their deadly Big Pharma chemicals and disastrous health advice. The reputation of doctors plummets in the minds of the American public, and most patients now turn to the Internet to find answers that their doctors either don’t know or refuse to tell them. The mass exodus of patients away from conventional medicine is now well underway…

    Why doctors are still idiots
    When it comes to medical idiocy, these examples are just the tip of the iceberg. The same hopelessly outdated medical system that has given us cigarette-promoting doctors, breastfeeding-censoring doctors and superbug-breeding doctors is now claiming your children need yet more chemicals in their bodies in the form of vaccinations!

    And, by the way, these doctors are the only people in the world who are right. They’ll tell you so themselves! They are the sole source of all knowledge on anything related to health and medicine, and they’ve now garnered enough political power that they’ve managed to criminalize parents who disagree with their medical dogma.

    You know what the difference is between God and doctors?

    God doesn’t think he’s a doctor.

    These days, instead of doctors simply being full of sh+t, they are suddenly a very real danger to your personal freedom. Before, they were just peddling health nonsense. Now they hold the keys to your freedom and the custody of your children. Refuse to go along with new mandatory vaccination programs in New Jersey, for example, and you can be arrested, imprisoned, charged with a crime and have your children kidnapped by Child Protective Services. How dare you disagree with the High Priests of medical dogma!

    Personally, I don’t necessarily mind doctors being full of sh*t. It’s amusing to watch, and hilarious to document_ But I do mind doctors being full of sh^t while invoking law enforcement authorities to pull out a Glock, slap a 10-round magazine in the grip, point the barrel to the head of a mother of three children and demand, “Take OUR medicine, or you’ll be arrested.” Which is, of course, essentially what’s happening in New Jersey and Maryland right now. It’s called Gunpoint Medicine, and if you don’t believe me, move to New Jersey, and refuse to have your children vaccinated. It won’t be long before armed men show up at your front door with Child Protective Services standing behind them, ready to grab your kid, toss him into an unmarked van, and have you arrested for “resisting vaccination.” This is not fiction. I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried. It takes truly evil people to dream up this kind of medical terrorism — the very people who work for Big Pharma and the FDA.

    Or maybe I’m wrong about all this. Maybe doctors and health authorities have been full of sh!t for a hundred years, and now all of a sudden in 2007, they’re instantly right! Maybe they’ve been visited by supernatural, omniscient beings who gave them perfect knowledge (along with a new Merck vaccine) and all they’re doing is running around the country saving little children’s lives for the good of humanity.

    Perhaps 2007 is the new Golden Age of children’s health, to be initiated with a mass injection of kiddies with a dozen new toxic mercury injections to “protect” these kids from things that will probably never happen to them. Maybe now, in 2007, organized medicine has reversed all its years of bullsh*t and finally found the light! And that light, we’re told, comes in the form of a pill… or a vaccine… or chemotherapy… or whatever they tell you to take next.

    Yes, indeed! We’ve been saved by Big Pharma and a brigade of doctors! Hail the FDA! Praise the pharmaceutical giants! Give thanks for mandatory injections! Listen to the doctors and we’ll all be saved!

    Quick Note: This satire piece does not mean to imply that ALL doctors are complete idiots when it comes to health. There are exceptions. Many of the outstanding people I know in natural health started as conventional medical doctors (M.D.s). The difference between complete idiot doctors and intelligent doctors is that idiots are not willing to abandon their existing dogmatic beliefs when faced with new, contradictory evidence. Intelligent people, on the other hand, adapt and evolve their ideas when faced with new information or evidence.

    Conventional medicine, for the most part, does not want to learn anything new that might challenge its existing status quo dominance over the lives of parents and children. “Innovation is the enemy of the status quo,” and genuine health enhancement (and disease prevention) is the enemy of the entrenched medical industrial complex. Most doctors are complete idiots because they follow a dogmatic, religious-like belief in blatantly outdated junk medical science, even when real world observations and evidence demands the embracing of ideas that overthrow previously protected beliefs and career egos..

    Until doctors can abandon their egos and admit they don’t know everything, they will continue to be full of sht..

    “Gee…I could not have said it better myself” :-)
    Debbie, BS Cell Biology/Physiology “When Doctors Have Nightmares” “The Empire of Modern Medicine”

  20. David Gorski says:


    Two hints:

    1. Citing Mike Adams’ for any health- or science-related issue is akin to Scopie’s Law and So utterly unscientific and full of pseudoscientific and antiscientific misinformation are both and that:

    In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing as a credible source loses you the argument immediately …and gets you laughed out of the room.

    Personally, I’d add the Mike Adams corollary to Scopie’s Law and add:

    The same applies to citing as a credible source of health- or science-related information.

    2. Citing a BS in Cell Biology and Physiology does not impress me. If you want to play that game, I’ll cite myself as:

    David H. Gorski, MD, PhD Cell Physiology.

    A PhD trumps a BS; so you should listen to me.

    In fact, I’d never actually make that argument except in jest, and you made it very hard for me to resist the temptation. The strength of one’s arguments should rise and fall on the science, logic, and reason behind them, not on any titles. Indeed, I don’t usually bother to use my MD or PhD on this blog except on the information page about me and when responding to people flaunting bachelor’s degrees.

    Be that as it may, I’d suggest dropping the title. It impresses no one (certainly no one here), and it makes you look like a pretentious science poseur.

  21. Fifi says:

    Heh, BS just read as the initials for bull poo to me since a Bachelors of Science called a BSc outside the US! I also figured it was just a “science” degree from some chiropractic school since they seem to be churning out pseudoscience diplomas so people can claim to be scientists and doctors.

  22. Debbie-IQS says:

    PhD/MD guy…David…was it??? You don’t impress me either.

    I personally know many, many others with your education level and degrees that ARE on the side of truth…so maybe you should confer with them? Since you felt the need to “try” and humiliate me. Which, you didn’t succeed at, by the way. Honestly…I just feel sorry for you. I certainly don’t care to argue with you. It’s a waste of my time…

    You just can’t handle the fact that history cannot be covered up. The things quoted here ARE history, no matter what you want to believe or who you think is unworthy of being cited.

    So, never mind responding to me…I’ll not care to be back to read your garbage. I mean no disrespect. We just need to agree to disagree and let the future of medicine play itself out. It’s just interesting that you guys were the ones that attacked first. That tells me a good deal about the people on this site. Name calling and belittling are immature…especially from someone with such high degrees. So, I’ll bid you all a farewell.

    “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer

    Have a nice life :-)

  23. Prometheus says:

    “Since you felt the need to ‘try’ and humiliate me. Which, you didn’t succeed at, by the way.”

    Actually, Dave didn’t humiliate Debbie – she managed to do that without any outside help.

    “The difference between complete idiot doctors and intelligent doctors is that idiots are not willing to abandon their existing dogmatic beliefs when faced with new, contradictory evidence.”

    Then what do you call doctors who abandon existing evidence-based medicine to pursue “therapies” that lack a physiological (or even logical) basis and have no data to support their claims of effectiveness? “Quack” comes to mind, as does “charlatan”.

    The key point that Debbie-IQS omitted was the part about “new, convincing evidence”. Where is it? Are we to throw out everything we have learned about physiology, biochemistry and even physics on the word of one person?

    In other words – Show me the data!

    Without data, it’s just another “Just So” story.

    Which makes more sense – that one person (or even a small number of people) with little or no scientific background or education could be wrong or that the entire medical and scientific community of the world is wrong? Which seems more likely to you?


  24. Harriet Hall says:


    I’m puzzled. My post was about biofeedback and laser treatment of allergies, not about whether scientific medical doctors are “right” about anything. It seems you have jumped into a wholesale attack on the medical profession without even commenting on the topic at hand.

    You said, “The difference between complete idiot doctors and intelligent doctors is that idiots are not willing to abandon their existing dogmatic beliefs when faced with new, contradictory evidence.”

    Scientific doctors are always willing to abandon beliefs when supplanted by convincing new evidence. That’s exactly what the scientific enterprise is all about. So, what new, contradictory evidence can you show us to support what the AllergiCare Relief Centers are doing?

  25. David Gorski says:

    PhD/MD guy…David…was it??? You don’t impress me either.

    Such was not my intent. My intent was to try to teach you that your displaying your undergraduate degree as though it holds any authority whatsoever is silly and impresses no one. It may have been a harsh lesson, but it was intended with your best interests at heart.

    I personally know many, many others with your education level and degrees that ARE on the side of truth…so maybe you should confer with them? Since you felt the need to “try” and humiliate me. Which, you didn’t succeed at, by the way.

    I wasn’t trying to humiliate you. I was trying to save you from future humiliation. Unfortunately, I appear to have failed in that. The message went right over your head, alas.

    As for the “truth,” in science there is no such thing as a “truth.” There is only what can be supported by the evidence and what cannot. There are only hypotheses and theories that make testable predictions that are useful, and hypotheses that don’t. All of these are subject to change as new evidence come in. That you refer to “truth” in reference to science shows that you appear to have absorbed very little of the scientific method in your studies.

    Honestly…I just feel sorry for you. I certainly don’t care to argue with you. It’s a waste of my time…

    Then why are you continuing to argue with me?

    “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer

    Ah, yes, the favorite quote of quacks and supporters of quackery.

    Any time I see this particular quote, I know that I’m almost certainly dealing with a crank par excellence. The reason? What one must realize about this particular quote, a favorite of woo-meisters, cranks, and pseudoscientists the world over, is that it’s talking about truth. (Leave aside the question of whether it is ever appropriate to refer to “truth” in science, but I’ll let that pass for the moment.) Non-“truth,” or pseudoscience, never makes it past phase one or phase two–and rightly so, I might add, because it is unworthy of progressing past either.

  26. Prometheus says:

    “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer

    That’s an interesting (if not entirely relevant) quote about “truth” – even if it is a bit tainted by its overuse in defense of quackery. However, it is referring to “truth” as viewed in hindsight. It says nothing about the validity of ideas that are being ridiculed or opposed.

    This is in the same vein as those people who, when criticized or even laughed at for their pseudoscientific ramblings, claim “They laughed at the Wright bothers, too!”

    The problem is that many ideas are ridiculed or opposed – usually because they are, in fact wrong. The fact that some “truths” were ridiculed or opposed before they were eventually accepted does not mean that an idea that is ridiculed or opposed is “true”.

    As someone once said: “They laughed at the Wright brothers, but they also laughed at the Marx brothers.” Being laughed at is not a sign that you are right.


  27. Less PhARMA says:

    After reading a Senate Health Reform document dated 2-26-2009 and reading all the randomized controlled studies published over the years in the worlds greatest peer reviewed journals by Dr. Dean Ornish MD, I am now convinced that Science-Based Medicine is nothing more than a petty, dogmatic Big PhARMA prostitute with no credibility.

    Dr. Dean Ornish MD’s biographical Sketch at the end of the document makes your contributing panel and 5 cronies look like incredibly small minded blogger hacks.

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