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		<title>By: Weekend Reading &#171; Science-Based Pharmacy</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-103023</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Reading &#171; Science-Based Pharmacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 04:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] GMOs were harmful? Turns out the anti-GMO campaigners are using the tactics of antivaccinationists. Antivaccine versus anti-GMO: Different goals, same method. Also see this similar piece in the LA [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] GMOs were harmful? Turns out the anti-GMO campaigners are using the tactics of antivaccinationists. Antivaccine versus anti-GMO: Different goals, same method. Also see this similar piece in the LA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: schwart1</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-102712</link>
		<dc:creator>schwart1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When their world view is challenged, the conspiracy theory nuts always claim Monsanto et al. used their limitless wealth to influence people.  The reality is that by multinational standards Monsanto is relatively anemic-- 396th in terms of company value.  There are more than a half dozen individuals whose net worth is greater than the total value of the Monsanto company.  The idea that Monsanto could buy out the FDA, the World Health Organization, the National Academy of Science, the media, the majority of academics,  and 25 Nobel Laureates is totally absurd!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When their world view is challenged, the conspiracy theory nuts always claim Monsanto et al. used their limitless wealth to influence people.  The reality is that by multinational standards Monsanto is relatively anemic&#8211; 396th in terms of company value.  There are more than a half dozen individuals whose net worth is greater than the total value of the Monsanto company.  The idea that Monsanto could buy out the FDA, the World Health Organization, the National Academy of Science, the media, the majority of academics,  and 25 Nobel Laureates is totally absurd!</p>
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		<title>By: The Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh oh, Dr. Chassey has now been revealed. Our Big Pharma overlords will not be pleased with recent development. I told him, in our bi-weekly &quot;Pharma Shill United&quot; video conference call, that letter would make it too obvious. Lets take up a petition that they only put his membership on probation, and not fully revoke them...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh, Dr. Chassey has now been revealed. Our Big Pharma overlords will not be pleased with recent development. I told him, in our bi-weekly &#8220;Pharma Shill United&#8221; video conference call, that letter would make it too obvious. Lets take up a petition that they only put his membership on probation, and not fully revoke them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Narad</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-102682</link>
		<dc:creator>Narad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder how much money the Department of Food Science &amp; Nutrition at the University of Illinois whom Dr. Chassey represents gets from Monsanto every year?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why don&#039;t you ask them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder how much money the Department of Food Science &amp; Nutrition at the University of Illinois whom Dr. Chassey represents gets from Monsanto every year?</p></blockquote>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you ask them?</p>
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		<title>By: stanmrak</title>
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		<dc:creator>stanmrak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: reaction to Dr. Oz:

I wonder how much money the Department of Food Science &amp; Nutrition at the University of Illinois whom Dr. Chassey represents gets from Monsanto every year? Not to mention all the organizations he references... the FDA, USDA, WHO, etc. These groups are all beholden to Monsanto and are not to be trusted as unbiased authorities. He sounds like a crybaby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: reaction to Dr. Oz:</p>
<p>I wonder how much money the Department of Food Science &amp; Nutrition at the University of Illinois whom Dr. Chassey represents gets from Monsanto every year? Not to mention all the organizations he references&#8230; the FDA, USDA, WHO, etc. These groups are all beholden to Monsanto and are not to be trusted as unbiased authorities. He sounds like a crybaby.</p>
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		<title>By: RUN</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-102657</link>
		<dc:creator>RUN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a great reaction to the Oz show on GMO....

http://academicsreview.org/2012/10/letter-to-dr-oz-show-producers-by-bruce-chassy-phd/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a great reaction to the Oz show on GMO&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://academicsreview.org/2012/10/letter-to-dr-oz-show-producers-by-bruce-chassy-phd/" rel="nofollow">http://academicsreview.org/2012/10/letter-to-dr-oz-show-producers-by-bruce-chassy-phd/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Oz falls for the overhyped and debunked GMO corn study</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Oz falls for the overhyped and debunked GMO corn study</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Science-Based Medicine » Antivaccine versus anti-GMO: Different goals, same methods. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: RUN</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-102216</link>
		<dc:creator>RUN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently listened to Martina Newell-McGloughlin, director of International Biotechnology give a talk on Biotechnology and Genetically-Modified Foods: A look at safety and the Peer-reviewed science.  Was a great talk and opened my eyes to the complexity of GMO.  She made several points but I will list just a few.
 
1) we have been consuming genetically modified foods for 1000&#039;s of years, but cross breeding plants come across as &#039;safer&#039; than pinpointing specific genes and modifying them even though cross breeding plants are more variable in their DNA than modifying genes manually.  

2) GMO is very complex and when we lump them ALL together as &#039;bad&#039; or &#039;good&#039; it is misunderstanding the changes being made. 

3) before hearing her talk, I had been more narrow minded looking at the impact on Americans, but some of the GMO could be very beneficial for other countries and for future generations.   Other countries may not be utilizing the technologies because of cost not safety concerns.  Also countries that have environments that are not suitable for growing a variety of foods could benefit from GMO foods that can sustain drought or flooding.  This could decrease starvation and provide other benefits for the countries.  Also with the rate of world wide population increasing, the current land being used for food will not be enough to support future generations.  The crops in the future will need to have less waste.  Options to do this is to use more pesticides, herbacides, fungicides, antiobiotics, etc, or genetically modify these plants so that they can protect themselves.

In general, I understand the concern of feeling like we are being blindly force fed &#039;things&#039; but labeling would not solve these changes.  Where would we draw the line?  General labeling of &#039;product contains genetically modified ingredients&#039; may work, but wouldn&#039;t we have to start to label all items containing cross breeding?  They should....if your fear is because of the changes in DNA. Cost concern has been thrown around but the true cost would be for the consumers if labeling standards are changed.

With any decision, the pros and cons should be considered.  Their are both PROS and CONS with every choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently listened to Martina Newell-McGloughlin, director of International Biotechnology give a talk on Biotechnology and Genetically-Modified Foods: A look at safety and the Peer-reviewed science.  Was a great talk and opened my eyes to the complexity of GMO.  She made several points but I will list just a few.</p>
<p>1) we have been consuming genetically modified foods for 1000&#8242;s of years, but cross breeding plants come across as &#8216;safer&#8217; than pinpointing specific genes and modifying them even though cross breeding plants are more variable in their DNA than modifying genes manually.  </p>
<p>2) GMO is very complex and when we lump them ALL together as &#8216;bad&#8217; or &#8216;good&#8217; it is misunderstanding the changes being made. </p>
<p>3) before hearing her talk, I had been more narrow minded looking at the impact on Americans, but some of the GMO could be very beneficial for other countries and for future generations.   Other countries may not be utilizing the technologies because of cost not safety concerns.  Also countries that have environments that are not suitable for growing a variety of foods could benefit from GMO foods that can sustain drought or flooding.  This could decrease starvation and provide other benefits for the countries.  Also with the rate of world wide population increasing, the current land being used for food will not be enough to support future generations.  The crops in the future will need to have less waste.  Options to do this is to use more pesticides, herbacides, fungicides, antiobiotics, etc, or genetically modify these plants so that they can protect themselves.</p>
<p>In general, I understand the concern of feeling like we are being blindly force fed &#8216;things&#8217; but labeling would not solve these changes.  Where would we draw the line?  General labeling of &#8216;product contains genetically modified ingredients&#8217; may work, but wouldn&#8217;t we have to start to label all items containing cross breeding?  They should&#8230;.if your fear is because of the changes in DNA. Cost concern has been thrown around but the true cost would be for the consumers if labeling standards are changed.</p>
<p>With any decision, the pros and cons should be considered.  Their are both PROS and CONS with every choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No double standard whatsoever.  &lt;b&gt;This post has nothing  to do, in any way at all, with Monsanto&#039;s research.&lt;/b&gt;  The fact that the study discussed is complete garbage says absolutely nothing about ANY other study.  Your supposed &quot;conflict of interest&quot; is also ludicrous - Kevin Bacon, anyone?

It appears that you&#039;re taking an extremist &quot;us or them&quot; position, where anyone who doesn&#039;t mindlessly agree with any random unsupported claim that GMOs are bad must be a Monsanto shill.  Extremely offensive - and grossly wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No double standard whatsoever.  <b>This post has nothing  to do, in any way at all, with Monsanto&#8217;s research.</b>  The fact that the study discussed is complete garbage says absolutely nothing about ANY other study.  Your supposed &#8220;conflict of interest&#8221; is also ludicrous &#8211; Kevin Bacon, anyone?</p>
<p>It appears that you&#8217;re taking an extremist &#8220;us or them&#8221; position, where anyone who doesn&#8217;t mindlessly agree with any random unsupported claim that GMOs are bad must be a Monsanto shill.  Extremely offensive &#8211; and grossly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-102182</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, the old and tired &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/09/28/the-pharma-shill-gambit-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pharma Shill Gambit&lt;/a&gt;.  Next time, something more original: like answering Scott&#039;s question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the old and tired <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/09/28/the-pharma-shill-gambit-1/" rel="nofollow">Pharma Shill Gambit</a>.  Next time, something more original: like answering Scott&#8217;s question.</p>
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		<title>By: DougI</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-102181</link>
		<dc:creator>DougI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a double standard then Scott?  Looks like you&#039;ve become the resident apologist.  Maybe Gorski didn&#039;t want to hurt his Bayer funding, seeing that they fund Gorski and manufacture GMO seed.  No mention of the conflict of interest in the article.  Hmmm, not surprising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a double standard then Scott?  Looks like you&#8217;ve become the resident apologist.  Maybe Gorski didn&#8217;t want to hurt his Bayer funding, seeing that they fund Gorski and manufacture GMO seed.  No mention of the conflict of interest in the article.  Hmmm, not surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ DougI:

Please quote where Dr. Gorski endorsed Monsanto&#039;s research, or indeed even mentioned it.  You&#039;ll find that you will are unable to, and that your flames are thus utterly false.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ DougI:</p>
<p>Please quote where Dr. Gorski endorsed Monsanto&#8217;s research, or indeed even mentioned it.  You&#8217;ll find that you will are unable to, and that your flames are thus utterly false.</p>
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		<title>By: DougI</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-101915</link>
		<dc:creator>DougI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monsanto&#039;s own research used the same rat species and sample sizes yet no criticism of their research.  Maybe instead of relying on ad hominem attacks to discredit a study you might like to look at the original research by Monsanto which  you automatically concluded is acceptable.  If you don&#039;t want to be seen as a Monsanto apologist then perhaps you should show such a double standard is poorly written articles.

BTW, Monsanto published their research in  Food and Chemical Toxicology.  You know, that journal you call &#039;pitiful&#039;.  Hypocrite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monsanto&#8217;s own research used the same rat species and sample sizes yet no criticism of their research.  Maybe instead of relying on ad hominem attacks to discredit a study you might like to look at the original research by Monsanto which  you automatically concluded is acceptable.  If you don&#8217;t want to be seen as a Monsanto apologist then perhaps you should show such a double standard is poorly written articles.</p>
<p>BTW, Monsanto published their research in  Food and Chemical Toxicology.  You know, that journal you call &#8216;pitiful&#8217;.  Hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: fledarmus1</title>
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		<dc:creator>fledarmus1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tradeoff for a patent monopoly is that it is short term, and once it expires, the subject matter is in the public domain. If people don&#039;t want to pay extra to use seeds covered under patents, they can just plant the older varieties until the seeds come off patent.

What, they would grow broke trying to compete with people that are paying higher prices for patented seeds? Then this represents a real improvement in technology, which is exactly the sort of thing the patent laws are designed to promote! If Monsanto created a product that is so good that even with the high prices they charge for it, farmers that buy it are doing better than farmers that don&#039;t, then they deserve the money they charge. Once the patent term is over, they won&#039;t be able to charge higher prices or prevent seed saving, and this huge increase in productivity will come at very nearly the same price that previous seeds cost.

If the product isn&#039;t good enough that people are willing to pay more for it, then there is no value in the patent and nobody cares. If the product is so good that people won&#039;t buy a product that doesn&#039;t have it, then they deserve a relatively short period of exclusivity for bringing such a fantastic product, which never existed before, onto the market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tradeoff for a patent monopoly is that it is short term, and once it expires, the subject matter is in the public domain. If people don&#8217;t want to pay extra to use seeds covered under patents, they can just plant the older varieties until the seeds come off patent.</p>
<p>What, they would grow broke trying to compete with people that are paying higher prices for patented seeds? Then this represents a real improvement in technology, which is exactly the sort of thing the patent laws are designed to promote! If Monsanto created a product that is so good that even with the high prices they charge for it, farmers that buy it are doing better than farmers that don&#8217;t, then they deserve the money they charge. Once the patent term is over, they won&#8217;t be able to charge higher prices or prevent seed saving, and this huge increase in productivity will come at very nearly the same price that previous seeds cost.</p>
<p>If the product isn&#8217;t good enough that people are willing to pay more for it, then there is no value in the patent and nobody cares. If the product is so good that people won&#8217;t buy a product that doesn&#8217;t have it, then they deserve a relatively short period of exclusivity for bringing such a fantastic product, which never existed before, onto the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-101790</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Prop 37 goes through in California, the real winners will be the lawyers. Even more lawsuits than with Prop 65 are expected. The losers will be the food industry even though they are not the ones responsible for the GM technology. The onus of proof will be burdensome enough that many will just settle lawsuits. GM foods, for good or ill, are being forced on people though. Considering 85%+ of sugar beet, corn, and soy crops are GM, they are in most non-organic foods to start with and even organic foods simply cannot avoid some degree of contamination. It is also in some cases, quite different than conventional breeding methods because it involves different species genetic material being inserted. In any case, personally I am less concerned about any potential long term ill health effects due to them actually not being &quot;substantially equivalent&quot; and mostly just concerned with the ethics and business practices of the companies behind the technology. I think patented control/monopoly of the food supply is a dangerous road to go down (effectively preventing/outlawing seed collection, suing farmers because patented seed is found growing down wind, etc.).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Prop 37 goes through in California, the real winners will be the lawyers. Even more lawsuits than with Prop 65 are expected. The losers will be the food industry even though they are not the ones responsible for the GM technology. The onus of proof will be burdensome enough that many will just settle lawsuits. GM foods, for good or ill, are being forced on people though. Considering 85%+ of sugar beet, corn, and soy crops are GM, they are in most non-organic foods to start with and even organic foods simply cannot avoid some degree of contamination. It is also in some cases, quite different than conventional breeding methods because it involves different species genetic material being inserted. In any case, personally I am less concerned about any potential long term ill health effects due to them actually not being &#8220;substantially equivalent&#8221; and mostly just concerned with the ethics and business practices of the companies behind the technology. I think patented control/monopoly of the food supply is a dangerous road to go down (effectively preventing/outlawing seed collection, suing farmers because patented seed is found growing down wind, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: rustichealthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rustichealthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[batman....crossing types of apples with apples..is like cross breeding different dog breeds..it is not what GMO is..

• The more GE crops introduced, the more testing will be needed to detect genetic contamination of non-GMO crops. This, Marquardt says, will ultimately raise food prices for consumers looking for organic, non-GMO foods.

•  The American Academy of Environmental Medicine recommends avoiding genetically engineered food ingredients because animal studies have linked them to infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, abnormal insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal tract.

• Food allergy cases have skyrocketed since GMOs were introduced into the food chain in the mid-1990s.

•  GMO critics, including university scientists, have said herbicide-resistant GMO crops only benefit the biotech company selling the package—both the seeds and the pesticide that needs to be used on those seeds. &quot;In the 30 years of working with GMOs, they still haven&#039;t come up with one benefit for consumers,&quot; says Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety. &quot;They only offer risk.&quot;

•  Roundup, the weed-killer that most genetically engineered seeds are designed to withstand, actually winds up inside food at levels clinically shown to cause health problems, including human cell death. (Read Roundup Red Alert for more details.)

•  We&#039;re already eating GMOs. GMO corn, soy, and canola products have infiltrated up to 90 percent of the products in supermarkets, most of them processed foods. Each new GMO approval adds to a GMO load that gets harder and harder to avoid.

•  The next genetically engineered products up for approval are food crops designed to withstand heavy sprayings of the toxic pesticides dicamba and 2,4-D, which can become airborne and travel nearly half a mile, possibly into home gardens and other organic fields. 2,4-D is a component of Agent Orange.

http://www.rodale.com/genetically-engineered-0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>batman&#8230;.crossing types of apples with apples..is like cross breeding different dog breeds..it is not what GMO is..</p>
<p>• The more GE crops introduced, the more testing will be needed to detect genetic contamination of non-GMO crops. This, Marquardt says, will ultimately raise food prices for consumers looking for organic, non-GMO foods.</p>
<p>•  The American Academy of Environmental Medicine recommends avoiding genetically engineered food ingredients because animal studies have linked them to infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, abnormal insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal tract.</p>
<p>• Food allergy cases have skyrocketed since GMOs were introduced into the food chain in the mid-1990s.</p>
<p>•  GMO critics, including university scientists, have said herbicide-resistant GMO crops only benefit the biotech company selling the package—both the seeds and the pesticide that needs to be used on those seeds. &#8220;In the 30 years of working with GMOs, they still haven&#8217;t come up with one benefit for consumers,&#8221; says Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety. &#8220;They only offer risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>•  Roundup, the weed-killer that most genetically engineered seeds are designed to withstand, actually winds up inside food at levels clinically shown to cause health problems, including human cell death. (Read Roundup Red Alert for more details.)</p>
<p>•  We&#8217;re already eating GMOs. GMO corn, soy, and canola products have infiltrated up to 90 percent of the products in supermarkets, most of them processed foods. Each new GMO approval adds to a GMO load that gets harder and harder to avoid.</p>
<p>•  The next genetically engineered products up for approval are food crops designed to withstand heavy sprayings of the toxic pesticides dicamba and 2,4-D, which can become airborne and travel nearly half a mile, possibly into home gardens and other organic fields. 2,4-D is a component of Agent Orange.</p>
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		<title>By: rustichealthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rustichealthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BillyJoe..

I am compelled to explain a few things now..it&#039;s not just a matter of &#039;winning an argument&#039;..first, I buy organic as much as I can anyway..hopefully they&#039;re not contaminated in the future too..but in any case..I&#039;m just learning about GMOs myself, having no idea they were on the market, totally unawares by most everyone, since the 90&#039;s..and yet they&#039;ve been banned in other countries still! Yet..no one said a word here..until now! Having animals drop dead after being fed them I&#039;d say is a bit concern...

http://www.natural-health-restored.com/genetically-modified-foods.html

there are other links at the bottom...and my site has many other links and information now that is more and more troublesome...sorry to say...not just a matter of winning an argument..

http://gethealthybehappy.yolasite.com/just-say-no.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BillyJoe..</p>
<p>I am compelled to explain a few things now..it&#8217;s not just a matter of &#8216;winning an argument&#8217;..first, I buy organic as much as I can anyway..hopefully they&#8217;re not contaminated in the future too..but in any case..I&#8217;m just learning about GMOs myself, having no idea they were on the market, totally unawares by most everyone, since the 90&#8242;s..and yet they&#8217;ve been banned in other countries still! Yet..no one said a word here..until now! Having animals drop dead after being fed them I&#8217;d say is a bit concern&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.natural-health-restored.com/genetically-modified-foods.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.natural-health-restored.com/genetically-modified-foods.html</a></p>
<p>there are other links at the bottom&#8230;and my site has many other links and information now that is more and more troublesome&#8230;sorry to say&#8230;not just a matter of winning an argument..</p>
<p><a href="http://gethealthybehappy.yolasite.com/just-say-no.php" rel="nofollow">http://gethealthybehappy.yolasite.com/just-say-no.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-101771</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually what RH wants is at that the companies be forced to label their products as GM so that he wins the argument by default that there is something bad about GM products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually what RH wants is at that the companies be forced to label their products as GM so that he wins the argument by default that there is something bad about GM products.</p>
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		<title>By: UncleHoot</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-101770</link>
		<dc:creator>UncleHoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, batman1876.  I cannot disagree with your analysis.  Unfortunately, many of those that I sell to would disagree.   (That&#039;s not an argument, just an observation.)  But I sell chickens just as a community-friendly exercise.  I swear that they taste better than what you can buy in the store, but other than that, I can&#039;t personally make any other claim, and that&#039;s 100% subjective, obviously.

Of course who wants to eat something that has had Round-Up sprayed on it?  Well, if that bothers you, then organics are your only true alternative, although I&#039;m not personally happy with many practices going on in that arena either.  Some organic practices can arguably cause more environmental damage than their counterparts.  Just my opinion, though.  I don&#039;t want to start that debate.  ;-)

This is just a question: 
Is it possible to create a GMO that would not be reproducible given enough time and selection?  I think that is the perception that many have.  My sense is that the answer is &quot;No&quot; even if it&#039;s a glow-in-the-dark puppy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, batman1876.  I cannot disagree with your analysis.  Unfortunately, many of those that I sell to would disagree.   (That&#8217;s not an argument, just an observation.)  But I sell chickens just as a community-friendly exercise.  I swear that they taste better than what you can buy in the store, but other than that, I can&#8217;t personally make any other claim, and that&#8217;s 100% subjective, obviously.</p>
<p>Of course who wants to eat something that has had Round-Up sprayed on it?  Well, if that bothers you, then organics are your only true alternative, although I&#8217;m not personally happy with many practices going on in that arena either.  Some organic practices can arguably cause more environmental damage than their counterparts.  Just my opinion, though.  I don&#8217;t want to start that debate.  <img src='http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is just a question:<br />
Is it possible to create a GMO that would not be reproducible given enough time and selection?  I think that is the perception that many have.  My sense is that the answer is &#8220;No&#8221; even if it&#8217;s a glow-in-the-dark puppy.</p>
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		<title>By: batman1876</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/comment-page-1/#comment-101764</link>
		<dc:creator>batman1876</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is several problems at play here
1)You can&#039;t prove a negative so proving GMOs are not-harmful is an impossible standard.  The current standard is proving they are functionally identical to the non modified food (aside from the specific manipulation.  All foods on the market have passed this standard.
2)The current American practice is to only legislate warring labels on things that carry risk.  So the stated goal may be informed choice however the actual result would be implying risk and thus creating mis-informed choice.
3)GMO is a misnomer because Genetic modification is present in all foods.  The granny smith apple is a cross breed of the domestic apple and a variety of wind apple.  The cross breeding resulted in a genetically modified organism, the granny smith.  GMO as a label is more about the practice of targeting the gene and intentionally swapping it, rather than letting random chance determine the result.  Monsanto could have sprayed corn fields with round up, saved the seeds from the plants that survived and repeated that process for several generations until the result was a reliably resistant strain.  This seed would theoretically function the same as the seed tested in this study, would be functionally identical to the original corn seed, and genetically similar to the Monsanto seed , but due to a process would be free of the GMO label, despite undergoing as much or more gene modification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is several problems at play here<br />
1)You can&#8217;t prove a negative so proving GMOs are not-harmful is an impossible standard.  The current standard is proving they are functionally identical to the non modified food (aside from the specific manipulation.  All foods on the market have passed this standard.<br />
2)The current American practice is to only legislate warring labels on things that carry risk.  So the stated goal may be informed choice however the actual result would be implying risk and thus creating mis-informed choice.<br />
3)GMO is a misnomer because Genetic modification is present in all foods.  The granny smith apple is a cross breed of the domestic apple and a variety of wind apple.  The cross breeding resulted in a genetically modified organism, the granny smith.  GMO as a label is more about the practice of targeting the gene and intentionally swapping it, rather than letting random chance determine the result.  Monsanto could have sprayed corn fields with round up, saved the seeds from the plants that survived and repeated that process for several generations until the result was a reliably resistant strain.  This seed would theoretically function the same as the seed tested in this study, would be functionally identical to the original corn seed, and genetically similar to the Monsanto seed , but due to a process would be free of the GMO label, despite undergoing as much or more gene modification.</p>
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