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	<title>Comments on: Getting NCCAM&#8217;s money&#8217;s worth: Some results of NCCAM-funded studies of homeopathy</title>
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		<title>By: nybgrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nybgrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, Dr. Killen has opted to not publish my most recent comment and instead simply reply in a short paragraph essentially writing me off. I was a tad hopeful a more meaningful discourse may have arisen from this but it seems not. Also, I did not save what I had written, so it is likely lost.

http://nccam.nih.gov/comment/378#comment-378]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, Dr. Killen has opted to not publish my most recent comment and instead simply reply in a short paragraph essentially writing me off. I was a tad hopeful a more meaningful discourse may have arisen from this but it seems not. Also, I did not save what I had written, so it is likely lost.</p>
<p><a href="http://nccam.nih.gov/comment/378#comment-378" rel="nofollow">http://nccam.nih.gov/comment/378#comment-378</a></p>
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		<title>By: lilady</title>
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		<dc:creator>lilady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nybgrus and I posted at Dr. Killen at NCCAM  and we both received answers from him:

https://nccam.nih.gov/research/blog/niche#comments

Jeez...he just blew us off.  He and Dr. Briggs at the NCCAM really don&#039;t give a rap that they are wasting taxpayer money to fund homeopaths like Dr. Iris Bell for 10 years and a total of $3,000,000 to &quot;educate&quot; traditional  health care providers to understand CAM modalities.

I made two suggestions to Dr. Killen:

&quot;I have two suggestions for the NCCAM:

Firstly, why not award grants to the CDC and State Health Departments&#039; Reference Laboratories, to conduct sophisticated laboratory tests on homeopathy &quot;medicine&quot;...to finally determine that water has no memory, water that has undergone multiple succussions beyond Avogadro&#039;s number has not one molecule of the original substance diluted in the water.

Secondly, I would suggest that NCCAM assign their computer technology staff to this blog&#039;s comment section, to make it more user friendly. It is very disconcerting to have to use slash marks to delineate paragraphs and to read those same paragraphs.&quot;

I&#039;m beginning to think that a suggestion by &quot;Orac&quot; at the Respectful Insolence blog to just &quot;nuke&quot; the NCCAM is the only recourse to eliminate this parasitic center at the NIH.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nybgrus and I posted at Dr. Killen at NCCAM  and we both received answers from him:</p>
<p><a href="https://nccam.nih.gov/research/blog/niche#comments" rel="nofollow">https://nccam.nih.gov/research/blog/niche#comments</a></p>
<p>Jeez&#8230;he just blew us off.  He and Dr. Briggs at the NCCAM really don&#8217;t give a rap that they are wasting taxpayer money to fund homeopaths like Dr. Iris Bell for 10 years and a total of $3,000,000 to &#8220;educate&#8221; traditional  health care providers to understand CAM modalities.</p>
<p>I made two suggestions to Dr. Killen:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have two suggestions for the NCCAM:</p>
<p>Firstly, why not award grants to the CDC and State Health Departments&#8217; Reference Laboratories, to conduct sophisticated laboratory tests on homeopathy &#8220;medicine&#8221;&#8230;to finally determine that water has no memory, water that has undergone multiple succussions beyond Avogadro&#8217;s number has not one molecule of the original substance diluted in the water.</p>
<p>Secondly, I would suggest that NCCAM assign their computer technology staff to this blog&#8217;s comment section, to make it more user friendly. It is very disconcerting to have to use slash marks to delineate paragraphs and to read those same paragraphs.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to think that a suggestion by &#8220;Orac&#8221; at the Respectful Insolence blog to just &#8220;nuke&#8221; the NCCAM is the only recourse to eliminate this parasitic center at the NIH.  <img src='http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lilady</title>
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		<dc:creator>lilady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to the NCCAM website today and posted back at Dr. Killen...still in moderation, though.

Here&#039;s Iris Bell (not to be confused with the comedienne Iris Bell), on YouTube, with &quot;Homeopathy Debate II&quot; at U. Conn., 2007.  Dr. Steve Novella was in the first part of the debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYO6nNQGe1M]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the NCCAM website today and posted back at Dr. Killen&#8230;still in moderation, though.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Iris Bell (not to be confused with the comedienne Iris Bell), on YouTube, with &#8220;Homeopathy Debate II&#8221; at U. Conn., 2007.  Dr. Steve Novella was in the first part of the debate:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYO6nNQGe1M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYO6nNQGe1M</a></p>
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		<title>By: Narad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The first and most popular hit asks for age and sex and then…face shape&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Loops back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.westonaprice.org/about-the-foundation/our-logo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sally Fallon&lt;/a&gt;, eh? I&#039;m shocked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The first and most popular hit asks for age and sex and then…face shape</p></blockquote>
<p>Loops back to <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/about-the-foundation/our-logo" rel="nofollow">Sally Fallon</a>, eh? I&#8217;m shocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Quill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That second quoted abstract is impressive all right -- impressive as a load of b.s. But what on earth does a &quot;Homeopathic Constitutional Type Questionnaire&quot; contain? Ok, so I had to Google that. 

The first and most popular hit asks for age and sex and then...face shape, followed by &quot;Loves to travel&quot; yes or no, then height but with no measurements, just four choices: short, petite, normal or tall. (This is stuff of a quality reminiscent of drunken toddlers.) Then it moves onto questions one must rate one to four such as &quot;Cry Readily for no Reasonable Cause,&quot; &quot;Cry When Thanked,&quot; &quot;Cry When Nervous or From Anxiety&quot; and all in a way that would cause a cold-reading carnival fortune teller to spit in disgust.

But take not my word, go see the show yourself:

http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/menu/Constitution/personality1.php

And do get to page two which begins with all the crying and ends 172 questions later with &quot;Can not cover neck even in the cool weather.&quot; (My favorite section is &quot;Fears&quot; especially when it asks to rate one&#039;s fear of ghosts.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That second quoted abstract is impressive all right &#8212; impressive as a load of b.s. But what on earth does a &#8220;Homeopathic Constitutional Type Questionnaire&#8221; contain? Ok, so I had to Google that. </p>
<p>The first and most popular hit asks for age and sex and then&#8230;face shape, followed by &#8220;Loves to travel&#8221; yes or no, then height but with no measurements, just four choices: short, petite, normal or tall. (This is stuff of a quality reminiscent of drunken toddlers.) Then it moves onto questions one must rate one to four such as &#8220;Cry Readily for no Reasonable Cause,&#8221; &#8220;Cry When Thanked,&#8221; &#8220;Cry When Nervous or From Anxiety&#8221; and all in a way that would cause a cold-reading carnival fortune teller to spit in disgust.</p>
<p>But take not my word, go see the show yourself:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/menu/Constitution/personality1.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/menu/Constitution/personality1.php</a></p>
<p>And do get to page two which begins with all the crying and ends 172 questions later with &#8220;Can not cover neck even in the cool weather.&#8221; (My favorite section is &#8220;Fears&#8221; especially when it asks to rate one&#8217;s fear of ghosts.)</p>
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		<title>By: nybgrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nybgrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lilady:

Yes, I noticed that and was impressed…. that he responded, not with the response itself though. It left much to be desired IMO.

I also noticed that he did not at all respond to my post. I followed up with another one asking him to and narrowing it down to the first question I would like answered if that is all he can manage for the time being. I guess we shall see what happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lilady:</p>
<p>Yes, I noticed that and was impressed…. that he responded, not with the response itself though. It left much to be desired IMO.</p>
<p>I also noticed that he did not at all respond to my post. I followed up with another one asking him to and narrowing it down to the first question I would like answered if that is all he can manage for the time being. I guess we shall see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: lilady</title>
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		<dc:creator>lilady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted a comment on Dr. Gorski&#039;s *friend&#039;s* blog earlier today, about NCCAM&#039;s funding of research and I linked to the last comment I posted on the NCCAM blog.

Who would have thought that my earlier post would have generated a reply from John Killen, Jr., M.D., the Deputy Director of the NCCAM?   

Is it a coincidence...or is *someone* (cough, cough), (John Killen, Jr., M.D.), &quot;lurking&quot; on these blogs?

http://nccam.nih.gov/comment/327#comment-327]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a comment on Dr. Gorski&#8217;s *friend&#8217;s* blog earlier today, about NCCAM&#8217;s funding of research and I linked to the last comment I posted on the NCCAM blog.</p>
<p>Who would have thought that my earlier post would have generated a reply from John Killen, Jr., M.D., the Deputy Director of the NCCAM?   </p>
<p>Is it a coincidence&#8230;or is *someone* (cough, cough), (John Killen, Jr., M.D.), &#8220;lurking&#8221; on these blogs?</p>
<p><a href="http://nccam.nih.gov/comment/327#comment-327" rel="nofollow">http://nccam.nih.gov/comment/327#comment-327</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did I tell you how my (then) husband-to-be went to see a homeopath? Well, his mother, who is very much into woo, arranged the appointment and we went there mostly to make her happy. Anyway, this homeopath (and an MD from a respectable university, no less) struck us as rather mentally unstable. And when she almost started jumping up and down with joy upon learning that my husband-to-be had dandruff, we just left. And never came back. And of course never bought all those fancy homeopathic remedies that she recommended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I tell you how my (then) husband-to-be went to see a homeopath? Well, his mother, who is very much into woo, arranged the appointment and we went there mostly to make her happy. Anyway, this homeopath (and an MD from a respectable university, no less) struck us as rather mentally unstable. And when she almost started jumping up and down with joy upon learning that my husband-to-be had dandruff, we just left. And never came back. And of course never bought all those fancy homeopathic remedies that she recommended.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s funny how some members of Congress like to rant about certain perfectly legitimate scientific investigations which they, in their ignorance, fail to see the value of. I wonder what all the “fiscally conservative” types think of the work of NCCAM? To think that Big Bird should go the way of the dodo rather than NCAAM is such a topsy-turvy situation.

I commend you for taking the time to dissect these studies--most of the gobbeldy-gook reminded me of a couple of papers I wrote in a Myth, Magic and Ritual class (anthropology requirement--nothing to do with buying into woo, not in my day anyway) that attempted to make some faux-intellectual comment on the work of Claude Levi-Strauss, who is pretty much considered to be unfathomable.

I guess it’s better to have college students sniffing homeopathics rather than glue--or whatever is popular these days among the sniffer types, but that wasn’t the aim of the study, was it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s funny how some members of Congress like to rant about certain perfectly legitimate scientific investigations which they, in their ignorance, fail to see the value of. I wonder what all the “fiscally conservative” types think of the work of NCCAM? To think that Big Bird should go the way of the dodo rather than NCAAM is such a topsy-turvy situation.</p>
<p>I commend you for taking the time to dissect these studies&#8211;most of the gobbeldy-gook reminded me of a couple of papers I wrote in a Myth, Magic and Ritual class (anthropology requirement&#8211;nothing to do with buying into woo, not in my day anyway) that attempted to make some faux-intellectual comment on the work of Claude Levi-Strauss, who is pretty much considered to be unfathomable.</p>
<p>I guess it’s better to have college students sniffing homeopathics rather than glue&#8211;or whatever is popular these days among the sniffer types, but that wasn’t the aim of the study, was it?</p>
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		<title>By: annappaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>annappaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh! Reading this kind of stuff makes me so embarrassed to be a stone&#039;s throw away from the University of Arizona. There is really good research being done there, too, I promise you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh! Reading this kind of stuff makes me so embarrassed to be a stone&#8217;s throw away from the University of Arizona. There is really good research being done there, too, I promise you!</p>
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