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The problem of nonmedical exemptions to school vaccine mandates

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  1. Chris Repetsky says:

    Then how do you explain the millions of cases of individuals who are sick and have absolutely no vitamin/nutrient deficiencies?

  2. Chris Repetsky says:

    And adding onto what Harriet is saying, Vitamin/Nutrient deficiencies have very solid presentations. They aren’t a vague miasma that causes a multitude of different diseases with varying pathology.

    No C? Scurvy. (And perhaps collagen troubles. That goes along with Scurvy, since Collagen requires Vitamin C.)

    No D? Rickets (in children), Osteomalacia (in adults)

    The list goes on and on.

  3. Chris says:

    RH:

    If a child is eating candy and fastfoods, and pesticide filled/gmo foods, and not enough real food…such as fresh non-chemical filled fruits, vegetables, whole grains, meat/fish without hormones/antibiotics..everyday, then they’re going to be malnourished,

    In 1960 UK and West Africa? You still have not read and understood the links you provided.

    Now explain why the oldest child of Roald Dahl died of measles in the UK in the early 1960s. Tell us that you have proof she was eating GMOs and fast foods while living on their country estate.

  4. Chris.. enough ‘nutrients’ according to whom? The amount of vitamins/nutrients one needs would be according to their particular condition/circumstance. MDR..minimum daily requirments…is to barely survive..not actually be healthy. If the MMR is 200 mg Vit C, yet I need 1000 Vit C..then the MMR is not enough. Yes before candy and fastfoods there were illnesses..as in scurvy..but, that also was malnutrition. Not having fresh fruits/vegetables available year round would make one malnourished in many vitamins..and therefore prone to many illnesses..not excluding scurvy, or any other disease. Other things also deplete the body of nutrients..weather conditions and poor sanitary conditions also.

  5. Re: Ronald Dahl’s child..she probably wasn’t getting enough Vit. C more than likely, perhaps omegas also, and Vit. D…before the increased knowledge of vitamins, being ‘extracted’ ..it would be understood the unknowing at the time. Linus Pauling started it in a bigger way..and that’s where it began to turn ..we do have all kinds of vitamins/nutrients available in supplement form (I would say the closer to whole food the better)…and, that’s where I’m thankful for technology and studies.

  6. Chris says:

    Where is your evidence, RH? You are just making stuff up now.

  7. Harriet Hall says:

    As I said, it’s the No True Scotsman fallacy. People who are well-nourished don’t get sick, so if someone well-nourished got sick it’s obvious (by definition) that they weren’t really well-nourished. There’s no hope of using evidence or logic to talk Rusty out of a belief when that belief was formed in the absence of evidence or logic.

  8. Chris says:

    It actually looks like RusticHealthy is denying that viruses like measles cause disease. Considering that a child of a well-to-do author and actress would not be malnourished by any stretch of the imagination.

    So Rusty goes into the ignore pile with Thingy.

  9. cia parker says:

    I agree with Quest4Fire. Vaccines are much more dangerous than the vaccine-preventable diseases. Parents have an absolute responsiblity to weigh the benefits and risks for each vaccine and disease for their individual child. Children who have close relatives who have any neurological or autoimmune disease are at greater risk of vaccine reaction, and their parents would be acting wisely to refuse some or all vaccines for them. And of course these days nearly all children have such a close relative. This year the acellular pertussis vaccine has been seen to be a very ineffective vaccine, with many thousands of appropriately vaccinated people getting the disease. Most of these people believe that they are safe from getting pertussis themselves and from transmitting it to others, especially those in the only group at much risk of death or permanent damage, newborns. It would be much wiser to let people decide for themselves, with no pressure, if they want to take the risk of the vaccine or just go through the extended period of coughing if they get the actual disease, and emerge with probably permanent immunity. In the case of this remarkably ineffective vaccine, there is no herd immunity for anyone to worry about. Only those whose agenda is to promote vaccination at all costs would refuse to promote the quarantine at home of young infants. Of course it would be inconvenient for many working parents, but if they realized that their baby’s life was at stake, most parents could make arrangements to protect the child. Vaccinating the baby and everyone around him is in many cases not going to be enough, as the parents of the fourteen infants who have died in this year’s pertussis epidemic can tell you. Chris was able to quarantine her son when he was an infant: most other parents could do so as well.

  10. lilady says:

    @ CIA Parker:

    Fancy meeting you here.

    Why don’t you share with us, why you are against childhood immunizations?

  11. The Dave says:

    Yay! another anti-vaxxer has decided to join the conversation. And yet, still no new claims that we haven’t already heard, and, even more un-surprising, still provides no credible evidence for said claims.

    “Vaccines are much more dangerous than the vaccine-preventable diseases.”
    Could you please provide some called, hard, facts: How many kids died of polio per year before the vaccine and how many kids die per year because of the vaccine?

    Let’s just start with that. I don’t want to overwhelm you.

  12. The Dave says:

    After a brief Google search, it appears that cia parker might be a psychologist from Maryland that likes to comment on any article (s)he finds about vaccines. Am I right?

  13. lilady says:

    @ The Dave:

    “After a brief Google search, it appears that cia parker might be a psychologist from Maryland that likes to comment on any article (s)he finds about vaccines.”

    “Am I right”….No Dave. CIA Parker mainly posts under that ‘nym at Age Of Autism and other anti-vaccine blogs with her same shtick about about her newborn’s “encephalitis”. Rarely, she posts on science blogs, with that same old “story”.

    Scroll down to her third post here…

    http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/cynthia-parker/Profile?oid=2568859

  14. The Dave says:

    I stand corrected. In my defense, I spent ~30sec in the middle of class. :)

  15. lilady says:

    Well Dave, when you get out of class, make certain to read Parker’s posts…they’re *gems*. :-)

  16. Chris says:

    Ah, yes! The same woman who claims her baby got encephalitis but never took the child to get real medical care. Not exactly “mother of the year” material.

    By the way, this satire of an Age of Autism media person is a great read.

  17. lilady says:

    @ Chris:

    I’ve already read that satirical piece. Where do you think I get my “leads” to post on all the blogs, where the “bot” carpet bombs her inanities?

  18. Narad says:

    It would be much wiser to let people decide for themselves, with no pressure, if they want to take the risk of the vaccine or just go through the extended period of coughing if they get the actual disease, and emerge with probably permanent immunity.

    Oh, Cynthia, I see that neither you nor Lowell Hubbs has figured out “The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest.” Do provide the basis for your assertion that contracting pertussis yields “probably permanent immunity.”

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