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Gullible George

I get the occasional email.  Very little hate mail, unfortunately, since hate mail is often more amusing.  I read what little email I receive, and usually do not respond, mostly as I do not have the time.  I am a slow writer and a slower typist, and there are just so many hours in the day, and the older you get, the shorter th0se hours become.

Recently, over at the center of the growing Mark Crislip multimedia empire, I had the following in the feedback section:

Just thought you’d like to know:

My kids watch the PBS show “Curious George” which usually does a good job with introductory Physics, Astronomy, scientific method, etc. Interspersed with the cartoons they have scenes with real children that do a real-life parallel investigation of what happened on Curious George.

Today’s episode involved the Man with the Yellow Hat catching a cold, and Curious George going to the pharmacy and picking up various drugs to assist in making the guy feel better, mainly to have him sleep and be comfortable.

The interspersed skit, however, had the children visit a naturopath, where they learned:
* Oregano cures infections
* Various pressure points that correspond to energy lines
* And that taping magnets to these points is really effective.

I sat here simply amazed.

Me, not so much.  Alternative medicine has always been a blind spot for PBS.  While PBS  would not show perpetual motion machines,  suggest that astrology is legitimate, or give credence to a flat earth, alternative medicine, as it is for many otherwise thoughtful people, is exempt from even cursory critical thinking. PBS has broadcast  Drs. Chopra and North, so its track record with science based medicine is not so good. My children are long past the Curious George part of their lives, but I read them the books when they were kids.  Not my favorite (I like the Madeleine books better; 6 weeks in hospital for an acute appendix never failed to amuse me) but they were a quick read when the kids wanted a story at bedtime and I was too tired for a longer exposition.George couldn’t go to a naturopath, could he?  Well, he is curious, and he does have a brain about a fifth the size of a human, so it is a potentially bad combination.  And is his first name Curious? It is capitalized, so perhaps I should call him Mr. George, although I can find no information on the proper honorifics for an ape. Perhaps “Mr. Speaker”?

The episode is called Monkey Fever, and the episode summary is:

The Man with the Yellow Hat always takes such good care of George, so when the Man with the Yellow Hat comes down with a terrible case of the sniffles, George wants to return the favor. But how? He decides to try his own brand of monkey medicine to nurse the Man with the Yellow Hat back to health, including setting up the bedroom like a real hospital, feeding the Man with the Yellow Hat’s cold and starving his fever, and even playing an impromptu game of charades with the pharmacist to get the proper cold medicine. But as George plays doctor for a day, he notices that the Man with the Yellow Hat’s symptoms are peculiarly close to those of Betsy’s cat, the new mother of five kittens. Could the Man with the Yellow Hat’s illness mean he’s anticipating feline fatherhood?

Educational Objective (Science): To illustrate what it’s like to be sick with a cold and some ways to take care of yourself when you are sick; get rest, drink fluids, eat healthy food and, if needed, take medicine. Also to introduce some doctor’s tools like thermometers and stethoscopes.

Live Action Segment
The kids visit Dr. Shiva Barton, a naturopathic doctor and learn about alternative healing therapies. The doctor shows them pressure points on their bodies and the importance of staying healthy and eating right.

Sounds mostly innocuous and staying healthy and eating right is a good idea.   I went looking on the interwebs for a torrent, er, I mean, YouTube video, but none are available.  So I plunked down 2.99 on iTunes and the transcript of the show is also available.   I have to wonder at the interwebs, where someone took the time to transcribe the whole show. It is not the real Curious George.  The art is not right, but I am a traditionalist about these things.  They should try and recreate the style or the original, but that is the crabby old fart in me.  Lets see the show has to offer.

The episode begins with something concerning chickens.  I was hopeful that George would get bird flu or Salmonella, but no.  So the first part of the show is of little interest.  The second half starts with a cartoon where the Man with the Yellow Hat (or very bad jaundice) has a cold.  As a white-coated scientist says, “It doesn’t take a scientist to see you caught a cold.”   True enough, and they set the scene for the rest of the program: they definitely avoided scientists and science when researching large parts of the episode.

Most of the show concerns George’s escapades, unrelated to education. When George answers the phone, George is mistaken for the Man with the Yellow Hat, who has taken to bed with a cold. Mistaken identity is a classic source of humor, and people with colds often sound like apes, so it is a plausible scenario.

The white-coated scientists finish by telling George/Man with the Yellow Hat, “Drink lots of water and fruit juice, it will help you beat a cold.”   The Man with the Yellow Hat agrees, saying “drinking lots of fluids will help cure a cold.”

Fluid intake has no impact on the course of a cold, homeopathic claims not withstanding, although it is important not to get dehydrated (yes, I know.  People get volume short, food is dehydrated) which is a common complication if one is not careful when one has a fever.

Of course, no recommendation, however much is part common lore, is immune from the meta-analysis.  And fluids for respiratory tract infections are no exception:

We found no randomised controlled trials comparing increased and restricted fluid regimens in patients with respiratory infections. Two prospective prevalence studies reported hyponatraemia at rates of 31% and 45% for children with moderate to severe pneumonia (see table).1 2 None of these children showed clinical signs of dehydration. Symptoms associated with hyponatraemia were not reported, but four children with a serum sodium below 125 mmol/l died during one study.

We also found several case series in which patients with respiratory infections developed hyponatraemia, of which some were symptomatic. These patients were all successfully treated with fluid restriction.

Comment
We found data to suggest that giving increased fluids to patients with respiratory infections may cause harm. To date there are no randomised controlled trials to provide definitive evidence, and these need to be done. Until we have this evidence, we should be cautious about universally recommending increased fluids to patients, especially those with infections of the lower respiratory tract.

and

There is currently no evidence from RCTs for or against the recommendation to increase fluids in acute respiratory infections. The implications for fluid management of acute respiratory infections in the outpatient or primary care setting have not been studied in any RCTs to date. Some non-experimental (observational) studies report that increasing fluid intake in acute respiratory infections of the lower respiratory tract may cause harm.

Although these evaluations are  not specifically concerning colds.

Nor do fruit juices effect the course of a cold, although there is no harm in both the fluids and the nutrition provided by fruit juice.  If one were inclined, one could argue it is the vitamin C in the fruit juices that are of benefit, but I have been less than convinced by the antiviral/anticold efficacy of vitamin C. And perhaps the lack of research in the area is hampered by fear of patent infringement.

Then, after watching a soap, George tries to get the Man with the Yellow Hat better faster by treating turning the apartment into a faux hospital. More hilarity endues as the room is turned into an ersatz hospital by George. Unlike my hospital, George does not understand the importance of hand hygiene, and fails to wash his hands, perhaps the one important message you could give the demographic that watches Curious George: kids and their parents.

Later, when George is again mistaken as the Man with the Yellow Hat on the phone, the white-coated scientists tell George to “Feed a Cold and Starve a Fever.”  The scientists must be from the University of Old Wives Tales.   The origin of the advice, as best as can be determined, is

the ancient belief that cold symptoms were caused by a drop in bodily temperature and that stoking your internal furnace with fuel would restore health.

There is almost no clinical data, or basic physiologic principals, to support the concept of feeding a cold or starving a fever.  Of course, Medical Hypotheses has an answer:

We hypothesize that anorexia may represent a prehistoric behavioral adaptation to fight infection by maintaining T helper (Th)2 bias, which is particularly vital in fighting bacterial pathogens. Specifically, we propose that anorexia may avert the reduction of Th2/Th1 ratio by preventing feeding-induced neurohormonal and vagal output from the gut. Emerging evidence suggests that the vagal and neurohormonal output of the gut during feeding promotes Th1 function, which is desirable in fighting viral infections. Since fever may be an adaptation to fight bacteria and “colds” are generally viral in origin, the adage “starve a fever and feed a cold” may reflect a sensible behavioral strategy to tilt autonomic and Th balance in directions that are optimal for fighting the particular type of infection…Hydration and sleep, unexplained but widely accepted recommendations for flu patients, may also work by promoting vagal and Th1 functions. Modulating feeding, hydration, and sleep may prove beneficial in treating other conditions associated with abnormal autonomic and Th balance.

Who knows.  For some odd reason I have developed Pavlovian avoidance to  Th2/Th1.  I enjoy the wild ass speculation often found in Medical Hypotheses, but I rarely take them seriously.  Perhaps it is a just so story to explain why people get a decreased appetite when ill with an infection. My just so story as to why patients get anorexic and have diarrhea with fevers is that through most of history much of our illness came from eating and drinking contaminated food and water and nausea/anorexia prevented consuming more of the bad material. I like my explanation better, but then, I would.  Otherwise, there is little to support the concept of the popular approach to colds and fevers.

Later the Man with the Yellow Hat notes “Normal (temperature) is 98.6, so I have a very slight fever at 99.2 degrees.”

I can, and have, pontificated for hours on normal temperature.  98.6 is not the normal/average temperature and is the result of measurement errors in the 19th century by Wunderlich.  Modern temperature measurements in normal people are slightly less (or humans are cooling as the earth warms), but more importantly temperature varies over a 24 hour period, lowest in the am, highest in the early afternoon.

Our findings conflicted with Wunderlich’s in that 36.8 degrees C (98.2 degrees F) rather than 37.0 degrees C (98.6 degrees F) was the mean oral temperature of our subjects; 37.7 degrees C (99.9 degrees F) rather than 38.0 degrees C (100.4 degrees F) was the upper limit of the normal temperature range; maximum temperatures, like mean temperatures, varied with time of day; and men and women exhibited comparable thermal variability. Our data corroborated Wunderlich’s in that mean temperature varied diurnally, with a 6 AM nadir, a 4 to 6 PM zenith, and a mean amplitude of variability of 0.5 degrees C (0.9 degrees F); women had slightly higher normal temperatures than men; and there was a trend toward higher temperatures among black than among white subjects.
CONCLUSIONS:
Thirty-seven degrees centigrade (98.6 degrees F) should be abandoned as a concept relevant to clinical thermometry; 37.2 degrees C (98.9 degrees F) in the early morning and 37.7 degrees C (99.9 degrees F) overall should be regarded as the upper limit of the normal oral temperature range in healthy adults aged 40 years or younger, and several of Wunderlich’s other cherished dictums should be revised.

The Man with the Yellow Hat does not have a fever and does not need starvation, although George proceeds to take all his food.  George, like many alt med providers, accepts everything he hears at face value.  Maybe George is a metaphor for a Naturopath, playing at doctor with none of the understanding or real tools?  I am probably giving the producers of the program too much credit.

Then there is more humor as George is lead to believe the cold symptoms of the Man with the Yellow Hat really mean he is soon to have kittens.  No more unbelievable than water helps cure a cold or that the place for health advice is a naturopath.

The video doesn’t include the live action section ($2.99 thrown away) and the videos have been taken down due to copyright issues, but the transcript lives on, as in the live action sequence children visit the ND.  Evidently, even a small brained ape know better than to go to the ND, curious or not.

And here is the transcript. As is often the case, it is what is not said that is more important, but what kind of critical thinking can you expect in a minute and a half.  None. So instead they offer propaganda and  nonsense.

00:25:44    Today, we are visiting Dr. Shiva Barton.
00:25:48    He’s a naturopathic doctor.
00:25:50    Barton: Instead of using medicines, we use natural therapies.

Yes, instead of effective therapies, they use worthless nonsense.

00:25:53    Girl: Naturopathy is another way to help you feel better.

Like homeopathy, acupuncture, and avoiding vaccines.  Not the road to wellness I would suggest.

00:25:57    Barton: See if you guys can tell me what it is.
00:26:01    It smells like rosemary or something.
00:26:04    Very good, it’s very close to that.
00:26:06    It’s oregano.
00:26:07    Oregano is a spice that you find in spaghetti sauce and pizza.
00:26:11    Oregano seems to be helpful for fighting germs.

Really?  Pubmed finds 11 references, a few of which show that extracts of various herbs have, in the test tube,  effects on some bacteria.  This is no surprise, since plants have evolved mechanisms to resist being consumed by microorganisms.  Oregano is not the only herb with this characteristic:

To investigate the bactericidal and anti-adhesive properties of 25 plants against Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori).
METHODS:
Twenty-five plants were boiled in water to produce aqueous extracts that simulate the effect of cooking. The bactericidal activity of the extracts was assessed by a standard kill-curve with seven strains of H. pylori. The anti-adhesive property was assessed by the inhibition of binding of four strains of FITC-labeled H. pylori to stomach sections.
RESULTS:
Of all the plants tested, eight plants, including Bengal quince, nightshade, garlic, dill, black pepper, coriander, fenugreek and black tea, were found to have no bactericidal effect on any of the isolates. Columbo weed, long pepper, parsley, tarragon, nutmeg, yellow-berried nightshade, threadstem carpetweed, sage and cinnamon had bactericidal activities against H. pylori, but total inhibition of growth was not achieved in this study. Among the plants that killed H. pylori, turmeric was the most efficient, followed by cumin, ginger, chilli, borage, black caraway, oregano and liquorice. Moreover, extracts of turmeric, borage and parsley were able to inhibit the adhesion of H. pylori strains to the stomach sections.
CONCLUSION:
Several plants that were tested in our study had bactericidal and/or anti-adhesive effects on H. pylori. Ingestion of the plants with anti-adhesive properties could therefore provide a potent alternative therapy for H. pylori infection, which overcomes the problem of resistance associated with current antibiotic treatment.

Clinical relevance is nonexistent and probably unimportant.  You could get the same effect from my favorite natural yeast metabolite, alcohol.

00:26:15    He showed us a chart of the pressure points on our body.

Which are nonexistent. He also had them drink unicorn tears.

00:26:18    Barton: So this is a pressure point if you have a tummy ache or for seasickness, and you can just rub that.

Jeeze. Everyone knows the correct point for seasickness is P6, on the wrist.  They can’t even get their nonsense correct on this show.

00:26:26    Sometimes it helps.

And sometimes it doesn’t.  Can you say confirmation bias? I thought you could.  But time is insufficient to note the difficulties with anecdotes about antidotes.

00:26:27    Girl: He showed us little bandages with magnets on the back of them.
00:26:31    He put them on a pressure point on our forehead.
00:26:34    Barton: That pressure point is helpful for people who need to relax.

Now useless magnets on a nonexistent pressure point.  How much nonsense can they cram into a minute and a half? It must be a record, even for PBS.  I have, after all, watched the Dr. North specials.

00:26:40    Nico was so calm he fell asleep.
00:26:42    Naturopathic doctors also help people to stay well.
00:26:46    That’s called prevention.
00:26:48    We should eat right, exercise, sleep well and have fun.

It is called bait and switch kids.  Put the reasonable together with the nonsense, and if you are not careful, you will forget to differentiate the good from the bad from the ugly.

00:26:52    Barton: A good choice when you go to the ice cream shop is to get a fruit smoothie, because it has a lot of good things in it that keep you healthy. “

That evil chocolate malt, the root of all evil. What a spoilsport.

I realize the purpose of TV programs is to get people to watch the TV.  I have the discussion at home every time, usually as part of the yearly fund-raising drive, PBS puts on some sort medical nonsense to raise money.  I have family members who think PBS should have a commitment to scientific truth.  I disagree.  It’s TV.  Their only commitment is to the bottom line.

That a kids show like Curious George promotes rank nonsense, well, I expect nothing less from PBS.  If that is what they want to produce and promote, that is their privilege.  But I quit sending PBS my money years ago.  The best I can do is vote with my checkbook.  And, for a parent who is paying attention, the show represents an opportunity to teach your children a little about critical thinking.  Fortunately, as best I can tell from my kids, they never learned a single thing from the shows they watched on PBS as children.  Pokeman?  That is a different matter.  If Pikachu had received an oregano magnet on his pressure point I would have been upset. They are older now.  Their favorite show currently  is Breaking Bad, so I will have bigger worries than alternative cold treatments if I start to see pseudoephedrine boxes in the trash.

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27 thoughts on “Gullible George

  1. ConspicuousCarl says:

    George should have visited a Doctor of Chinese Medicine. They have lots of ideas on the subject of a monkey’s value to a sick man.

  2. Oh so sad, I love the Curious George Show, and your emailer is correct, they do often have some nice lessons in physics. (George learns why you shouldn’t carry home an ice cream cake in 100 degree heat, sort of thing.)

    Looks like this episode was a fail, though.

    My latest favorite that the kids will watch is Phineas and Ferb. Although I’m not sure how much physics the kids are getting from the brother’s wacky projects. At least they might learn that building stuff is cool.

    I hope Phineas and Ferb doesn’t start promoting wacky chiropractic energy machines.

  3. windriven says:

    “That evil chocolate malt, the root of all evil.”

    And the true cause of all disease.

  4. LovleAnjel says:

    It looks like Mark Crislip is on the payroll of Big Dairy and Big Chocolate.

  5. Simmerja says:

    @Carl – the mental picture derived from the alternative history you suggest for the episode nearly just caused a Twix bar mediated heimlich maneuver over here. L-O-L

    @Michele – I love Phineas & Ferb! Kinda sad when the Disney channel outdoes PBS though…I’m with Dr. Crislip; there’s a reason I don’t write checks to them anymore. Even Sesame Street has gone downhill.

  6. JPZ says:

    @Mark Crislip

    “For some odd reason I have developed Pavlovian avoidance to Th2/Th1.”

    The person that posts under the nom-de-screen “Th1/Th2″ or the actual ratio? ;)

    Actually, I was studying immunology when measuring Th1/Th2 was all the vogue. My read on the logic was that it worked so incredibly well for HIV infection, maybe it worked well for some other immunological disorder. It didn’t really, but it’s use persisted in the secondary literature for several years. It still crops up now and then.

  7. windriven says:

    @JPZ et al

    And all this time I’ve taken that particular nom de moron to echo the Dr. Seuss characters Thing One and Thing Two. It seems so much more fitting than something with actual scientific meaning.

  8. BKsea says:

    Thanks for deconstructing this. I saw the same episode a while back and had the same reaction as the writer of the e-mail. I get very upset when fantasy is taught as fact to children.

  9. Geekoid says:

    “although I can find no information on the proper honorifics for an ape. Perhaps “Mr. Speaker”?”

    Brilliant.

    My kids preferred ‘Magic School bus’ .

    It is ironic that traditional George is the one constantly doing stupid things, then he goes to a naturopath. Love it.

  10. daijiyobu says:

    Coincidentally, this ND Barton is this year’s AANP Physician of the Year…

    http://physicianswholisten.blogspot.com/2011/09/poy-boy-two-thousand-eleven.html

    -r.c.

  11. Carl Bartecchi says:

    Mark,
    Thanks for making us aware of this problem. I immediately e-mailed their ombudsman with my concerns and received an answer within an hour. They said that they would definitely look into it. We shall see? In any case, it might be good for others to complain to the NPR ombudsman.

  12. JPZ says:

    @Carl Bartecchi

    Does National Public Radio have anything to do with the PBS series Curious George? It looks like Universal Studios has the rights from Houghton Mifflin (sp?) to produce the series, and it is somehow tied in with Imagine Entertainment (but no mention of Curious George on their website).

    I would like to know which company actually invited Mr. Barton to be in the episode. It would seem that they are the misinformed ones about naturopathy, and they will make the decisions about who appears on the show in the future. PBS is responsible for broadcasting the episode, but I don’t think being unscientific is in conflict with their broadcasting standards.

    What could we say that would motivate PBS to pull the episode (and lose the revenue)? IMHO, the series Producer at Universal could be respectfully educated with the facts and encouraged to teach young children other facts about health, e.g. Mark’s example of hand washing. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to track down the “right” person (is it the producer, the writer, casting, the gaffer (lol, yes I know the gaffer tapes down electrical cords – I think), etc.?).

  13. JPZ – I think being unscientific IS in conflict with their broadcast standards. PBS has gone to a lot of trouble to built a reputation for healthy, educational children’s programing. It is one of their major highlights in fundraising and has enabled them to rally people to write letters to congressmen when funding cuts are threatened. Curious George is supposed to be about science. Check out PBS’educational philosophy for Curious George.

    “George’s memorable adventures — from dismantling clocks to rounding up errant bunnies — offer the perfect vehicles for introducing preschoolers to key concepts in science, engineering, and math.”

    http://www.pbs.org/parents/curiousgeorge/program/ed_phil.html

    Usually, producers make a particular show for a particular network. They present their concept to the network, do and a pilot and then if response is good, are asked to produce the show for the network. So the network has a lot of pull in directing the content of programing. So, it is worthwhile to contact the networks when there is a content complaint. If the networks gets enough complaints, they will contact the producer, etc.

    In my mind, it’s not so much about pulling a particular episode, it’s about educating the program about science. It’s about letting them know when they have been inaccurate, so that they can examine content for future shows. What’s next? Kids visit a chiropractor to learn about the man in the yellow hat’s subluxation problems?

  14. Shiva Barton used to come to the meetings of the Massachusetts commission that I was on in the early 2000s. Although posing as a physician without being one is illegal here in the Commonwealth, he had somehow managed to get work as a naturopath in Lexington, MA. He was quoted in a Boston Globe puff piece (“Beyond the Conventional: Naturopaths say they treat whole person rather than suppress symptoms,” by Cynthia Cantrell) regarding his over-the-phone treatment of a cancer patient (Dolores Lawrence of Kissimmee, Fla: look here and scroll to her name under “Cancer”. I don’t know why I left his name out at the time; I was being too polite).

    Later, when the Ns were pushing their Harvard Medical School-backed effort to get licensed in MA, the Greenfield Recorder interviewed me and, later, Barton, who by then had become the president of the MA Association of Naturopathic Doctors.

    Barton lied to the Recorder. I had mentioned a treatise on asthma published on the website of the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians (AANP), the same treatise that I quoted on SBM a few weeks ago (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/dummy-medicines-dummy-doctors-dummy-degree-part-1 ; scroll down to “Good News, Bad News”). Barton, in his interview with the Recorder published on October 15, 2003, claimed that he’d never heard of this treatise and denied that it had appeared on the AANP website. The Recorder did not bother to check the facts; it simply quoted him. When I discovered this I wrote the reporter providing the link to prove my assertion, but as far as I know they never published a correction.

  15. daijiyobu says:

    Re: “although posing as a physician without being one is illegal here in the Commonwealth, he [ND Barton] had somehow managed to get work as a naturopath in Lexington, MA.”

    ND Belanger, ‘naturopathic oncologist’ — one of my teachers in ND school based up in MA too, see http://www.lexingtonnaturalhealth.com/pages/Personal.html — talked about the legal protection of registering in MA as a…

    and I’m not making this up…

    COSMOPATH [or some kind of similar spelling].

    His belief was that because somewhere in MA law [I don't think as far back as New England's England-inherited common law, but something quite archaic] was this archaic title and ND’s could use it for protection from being accused of the practice of medicine in MA without a license.

    And as regards “Barton lied”, naturopathy is all a big lie:

    after all, their North American licensure exam labels homeopathy [and kind] a clinical science, which leads to ND / NMD licensure and therein, by oath…

    licensed falsehood.

    -r.c.

  16. ND Belanger, ‘naturopathic oncologist’ — one of my teachers in ND school based up in MA too…

    Ya know what, I confused Barton with Belanger regarding the Globe article. Look here. Belanger also used to frequent the commission meetings. I definitely did not confuse them regarding the Recorder article, however.

    Here is Barton’s practice website: http://winchesternaturalhealth.com/?page_id=16

    He would appear to be avoiding legal trouble by using his acupuncture license as a foil; a common ploy for unlicensed naturopaths. There is another ND in the practice who appears not to have this protection.

  17. thomasx says:

    When I saw that episode I wrote in to my local station, and l sent a comment to pbskids.org about it, but alas, I never heard back from anyone.

  18. Calli Arcale says:

    I’m not sure the live-action science segments are actually part of the Curious George show or whether they are inserted to make up time by the broadcaster. That would be interesting to find out. Mostly they’re good, so I’m very disappointed to hear about this one. It’s true that this isn’t the same artist as the original Curious George, and also that the writing has some substantial differences, but as H. A. Ray died in 1977 and his wife and coauthor Margaret followed in 1996, that’s probably unavoidable. The spirit is broadly similar (certainly closer than the movies), but more overtly educational. I like that it inspires an investigative mindset, and often shows George pursuing a false lead, which has humorous results but also shows children not to give up if their first idea doesn’t pan out.

    Still, my first thought when reading about the naturopathic segment reminded me unavoidably of my favorite Curious George book (one of the originals): Curious George Goes to the Hospital. George swallowed a puzzle piece and had to have it removed surgically. It was given to me while I was recovering from surgery as a young child. ;-) Its approach is decidedly mainstream as far as how it depicts medicine, but it’s from 1966, and most children’s books of this vintage are pretty mainstream in their depiction of medicine (if a little sketchy, since of course they are depicting a child’s perspective on the matter).

  19. we love reading the curious george.

    they could have wiggled these herbs in the story as being authentic to healthcare practice in george’s homeland.

    pbs does this alt-science stuff with the man-made global warming panic all of the time. it would help more if they simply made the kids distribution-literate, instead of enviro-panicked.

    next, they will make curious george and the man in the yellow hat be portrayed as vegetarians-

    george really looks like a new world monkey, but by the story is an old world monkey – maybe a cercopith or langur. some stories have him fishing. it will be a challenge to make george go vegan, but pbs must be politically correct these days.

    did the man in the yellow hat give george the MMR shot?

  20. Anthro says:

    Being an anthropologist I always used the Curious George books to teach my children about the silliness of anthropomorphizing animals and of the travesties resulting from taking wild animals out of their natural environment and using them for our own purposes. We also talked about how awful it was that the Man With The Yellow Hat smoked–and exposed poor George to second-hand smoke!

    My children never saw tv until they were at least five or six and then only PBS and then only Nature and Nova. They really did learn a lot about animal behavior and other basic stuff–but then tv was followed by lots of books and discussion. They have maintained an interest in these subjects and are excellent critical thinkers. They liked Magic School Bus too, but didn’t get to watch it often. They already knew how to read before they ever saw tv, so Sesame Street didn’t come into it.

    I no longer give money to PBS either, and I write the Ombudsman regularly explaining why–like every pledge time when they show the alt med nonsense. The Ombudsman always explains that PBS does not produce these programs and that all local PBS stations are completely independent and may obtain and show whatever they like. So now I complain to the local station. Some intern always writes something about “presenting both sides so people can make up their own minds”, which just makes me fuming mad (angry and insane), of course.

  21. Anthro says:

    Addemdum: My kids also watched Dr. Who, Red Dwarf and Black Adder–the whole family did! It was the basis of our “family time”.

  22. Calli Arcale says:

    Doctor Who, Nova, 3-2-1-Contact, and Newton’s Apple (locally produced here in the Twin Cities) were why I watched PBS as a kid. Later, it also introduced me to Red Dwarf, Blackadder, Monty Python, the Prisoner, and the Red Green Show.

    BTW, my favorite video as a small child was an episode of Nova which we’d recorded off of PBS. It was about the Voyager program, and I watched it repeatedly. I wasn’t a very typical six year old. :-D

  23. Linda Rosa says:

    To complain:

    Michael Getler, PBS Ombudsman
    mgetler@pbs.org

    Michael Levy, Exec Vice-President (Corporate and Public Affairs)
    press@cpb.org

    Joel Kaplan, CPB Ombudsman
    http://www.cpb.org/ombudsmen/

    “PBS’ mission is to create content that educates, informs and inspires….PBS reaches more than 124 million people through television and more than 20 million people online each month. ”

    “PBS content should embrace the highest commitment to excellence, professionalism, intellectual honesty and transparency.”

    “While producers bear responsibility for content production decisions, PBS, on behalf of member stations and ultimately the audience, exercises oversight of the integrity of the content.”

    “The final authority for the decision to distribute content as part of any PBS service rests with PBS.”

    http://www.pbs.org/about/editorial-standards/

  24. Wow, you folks certainly had good taste in TV as children. I mostly watched Johnny Quest, Jackson Five and Abbott and Costello Movies. That’s probably what happened to my brain. :)

  25. ConspicuousCarl says:

    Don’t worry, Michele. This is the Internet, where a person can qualify as intellectual and well-cultured just for knowing that He-Man and Remington Steele use the same music.

  26. Enkidu says:

    “I enjoy the wild ass speculation often found in Medical Hypotheses” LOL

    Anyways, re-reading Curious George as an adult, I was shocked at some of the things that were going on that as a kid, I didn’t take notice of. The Man with the Yellow Hat steals George from the wild, George gets thrown in jail for making a mistake… yikes!

    As for the PBS live-action segment, that’s shameful. This is the same network that shows Sid the Science Kid (and their much maligned [by anti-vaxers] episode about getting vaccinated) – opposite end of the spectrum.

    My daughter loves the PBS kids channel Sprout, which doesn’t show Curious George. Her faves are Caillou (new, mellow version, not bratty old version thank goodness), Thomas, and Super Why. I’m convinced that Super Why is going to have her reading by the time she turns four, she’s picked up on words so much better since she’s started watching it. Of course, we continue to read books together the old-fashioned way too. :)

    @micheleinmichigan: Jonny Quest rules. Old school version of course. I have a greater appreciation of it today (on Boomerang); when I was little several of the episodes gave me nightmares (the one about the gargoyle and the one with the invisible monster, lol).

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